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Old 01-06-2018, 02:20 PM
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The FO payrates never reach Endeavor rates. First year dos $45.00 / $45.68 / $46.36. Second Year dos $50.00 / $51.00 / $52.02 Five year dos $53.06/ $54.12 / $55.20
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:39 PM
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Wow. That’s disappointing. Was really expecting more from your management. That barely beats the current rates at Compass.

Hopefully the next TA will look better after you vote No to this one.

Unless you’re planning to be SkyWest Part 2
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Below top rates of Endeavor plus no retention bonus equals NO vote. The corporate tax rate has been slashed in tax reform. Remember also anyone soon to upgrade will endure an abusive reserve system that could have been addressed. As a senior FO with good schedules now going to reserve you will be shocked how bad it is. You will be used and abused. To make matters worse you have no flow. Tell them to pound sand!
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35% / 65% doesn’t pass. That’s if it even goes to a vote, which is probably in doubt now.
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield View Post
Wow. That’s disappointing. Was really expecting more from your management. That barely beats the current rates at Compass.

Hopefully the next TA will look better after you vote No to this one.

Unless you’re planning to be SkyWest Part 2
You’re comparing an average increase of 20% for CA’s and 18% for FO’s to SkyWest’s 1% increase?

Not even close.
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Old 01-06-2018, 03:03 PM
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You guys deserve much much better than this. Keep fighting the good fight!
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You’re comparing an average increase of 20% for CA’s and 18% for FO’s to SkyWest’s 1% increase?

Not even close.

20%for captains? Only about 6% for the 1st year, nowhere near 20%. Endeavor didn't have to wait 3 years to get their full pay raise and neither should we.
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Old 01-06-2018, 03:42 PM
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20%for captains? Only about 6% for the 1st year, nowhere near 20%. Endeavor didn't have to wait 3 years to get their full pay raise and neither should we.
Food for thought:
As of 1/1/2020, RAH CA rates will be equal or higher than those of Endeavor. That's less than 2 years, not 3. At that time, republic's nc will be back at the negotiating table. Endeavor's? Who knows?
Their CBA is till 2024. Also, how bout this....
Would you rather have Endeavor rates now but be forced to accept:
Junior Manning
NYC Co-basing
A reduction to 4 hours min day
A 30% increase in insurance premiums
Zero dollars HSA company contribution
An average line award of 76 hours (vs 87 at RAH) while averaging the same days off (14)

Truly objective apples to apples comparisons don't just include pay rates.
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Also allows the company to offer unlimited bonuses to new hires. This includes tuition reimbursement. They will be using this, and it will result in FO currently on the seniority list getting less pay then new hires. Also the company will never be short of FOs again.


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Old 01-06-2018, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi View Post
Food for thought:
As of 1/1/2020, RAH CA rates will be equal or higher than those of Endeavor. That's less than 2 years, not 3. At that time, republic's nc will be back at the negotiating table. Endeavor's? Who knows?
Their CBA is till 2024. Also, how bout this....
Would you rather have Endeavor rates now but be forced to accept:
Junior Manning
NYC Co-basing
A reduction to 4 hours min day
A 30% increase in insurance premiums
Zero dollars HSA company contribution
An average line award of 76 hours (vs 87 at RAH) while averaging the same days off (14)

Truly objective apples to apples comparisons don't just include pay rates.
Just to set the record straight here...

Junior manning: haven't ever seen it happen at EDV.

NYC Codomicile: industry standard. DL, AA, and UA all have it. No other regional has a presence at all three like EDV and Republic.

4 hour min day: I don't know what YX's is, but if its higher, sure you win.

Insurance: Well, I guess it depends who you are and what level of coverage you need.

HSA: EDV contributes up to $750 dollars/yr into that.

Line awards: Not sure how to discuss this one honestly, but I've had plenty of 90 hour lines by choice as a mid-range seniority FO with 15-16 days off. Most people I know flying the CRJ900 or with better than 50% seniority on the 200 flying 14 or less days off are crediting >100 hours. Everything we pickup off OT is 150%.

A lot of your points seem directed towards the senior pilots so lemme offer this too about Endeavor. We match up to 12.5% of your 401k contribution for the senior guys. And they'll run that match on any contributions made in the "catch up" category if you're eligible.
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