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Old 01-06-2018, 04:02 PM
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As expected the scare tactics have started. Didn’t expect it from the union though. This is exactly what happened with the last contract. Don’t be intimidated by scare tactics.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi View Post
Food for thought:
Junior Manning
Zero dollars HSA company contribution
An average line award of 76 hours (vs 87 at RAH) while averaging the same days off (14)

Truly objective apples to apples comparisons don't just include pay rates.
Not much junior manning takes place at a Endeavor. Additionally, the average block hours per duty period in January system wide on the 900 (the bulk of our fleet) was 5:20. At 16.5 days average worked/14 off that's 87 hours here as well (and it's skewed lower by our stand ups, which I don't believe Republic has). Finally, Endeavor contributes $1300 per year towards a family's HSA.

I'm not arguing I'm just saying that ya'll deserve and should get Endeavor pay rates now...not in 2020.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi View Post
Food for thought:
As of 1/1/2020, RAH CA rates will be equal or higher than those of Endeavor. That's less than 2 years, not 3. At that time, republic's nc will be back at the negotiating table. Endeavor's? Who knows?
Their CBA is till 2024. Also, how bout this....
Would you rather have Endeavor rates now but be forced to accept:
Junior Manning
NYC Co-basing
A reduction to 4 hours min day
A 30% increase in insurance premiums
Zero dollars HSA company contribution
An average line award of 76 hours (vs 87 at RAH) while averaging the same days off (14)

Truly objective apples to apples comparisons don't just include pay rates.
Very informative 1st post. So are you on the NC or in management. Not looking too good for this TA on the pilots FB page.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi View Post
Food for thought:
As of 1/1/2020, RAH CA rates will be equal or higher than those of Endeavor. That's less than 2 years, not 3. At that time, republic's nc will be back at the negotiating table. Endeavor's? Who knows?
Their CBA is till 2024. Also, how bout this....
Would you rather have Endeavor rates now but be forced to accept:
Junior Manning
NYC Co-basing
A reduction to 4 hours min day
A 30% increase in insurance premiums
Zero dollars HSA company contribution
An average line award of 76 hours (vs 87 at RAH) while averaging the same days off (14)

Truly objective apples to apples comparisons don't just include pay rates.
Endeavor took their bonus and turned it into pay rates (which was very smart) and by working more than 80 however many hours a month will make more with their new pay rate than what their bonus paid out. How long have they been paying that bonus which has put their pay well above ours? Years! Now our union is telling us that it's ok though because in a couple of years we will pass them. How much changes between now and then? It sound like most of those things that you said we'd be forced to accept have been debunked by endeavor pilots. All in saying is something along the lines of a bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:29 PM
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Much of the regional industry is likely 6-12 months away from new TAs for improved work rules and Endeavoresque compensation. If you don’t find this TA satisfactory (I know I sure wouldn’t), by all means vote it down. I don’t think you have a single thing to lose by voting “no” on this. The speed at which the industry is moving will force your managment to pay more one way or the other. “Endeavor or better” isn’t simply some cattle call. It should be the new standard because we’re worth that and more.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:34 PM
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-Not using junior manning "very often" is a far cry from NOT CONTRACTUALLY PERMITTED.
-Their bump in HSA contributions still lacks republic's by 35%.
-Their Healthcare premiums are 30%+ higher than republic's
-Their average line value SYSTEM WIDE (not just selectively factoring the 900s) is 14 days off with 76 hours credit.
-And we haven't even touched on the "industry standard" co-basing that republic does not have.
Oh, and republic (and other carriers) credit 4.2 minimum, not 4.0
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
Much of the regional industry is likely 6-12 months away from new TAs for improved work rules and Endeavoresque compensation. If you don’t find this TA satisfactory (I know I sure wouldn’t), by all means vote it down. I don’t think you have a single thing to lose by voting “no” on this. The speed at which the industry is moving will force your managment to pay more one way or the other. “Endeavor or better” isn’t simply some cattle call. It should be the new standard because we’re worth that and more.
Don't you work for PSA? I really don't have much to say other than that.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi View Post
-Not using junior manning "very often" is a far cry from NOT CONTRACTUALLY PERMITTED.
-Their bump in HSA contributions still lacks republic's by 35%.
-Their Healthcare premiums are 30%+ higher than republic's
-Their average line value SYSTEM WIDE (not just selectively factoring the 900s) is 14 days off with 76 hours credit.
-And we haven't even touched on the "industry standard" co-basing that republic does not have.
Oh, and republic (and other carriers) credit 4.2 minimum, not 4.0
Yet the company is CONTRACTUALLY PERMITTED to pay any overtime at 100% They can still pay straight time for it. They CAN pay 150 or 200% but aren't contractually forced to. And yea, I'd give up 12 minutes of min day pay which doesn't kick in all that often for an extra $10 per hour. Or you could have said that for tuition reimbursement which according to you was a big ask, we 'll just keep out min day at 4.2.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi View Post
Don't you work for PSA? I really don't have much to say other than that.
Three posts in- Who do you work for?

You don’t sound like an Republic Line pilot- you’re way too excited about a TA fails to deliver and will hopefully be voted down to show that Republic pilots deserve industry leading pay now, not what may be industry standard or less in three years time.

Republic set the bar a couple years ago which sparked the industry wide pay increases everyone has enjoyed. No reason they should settle for mediocre this time around.
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Old 01-06-2018, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi View Post
-Not using junior manning "very often" is a far cry from NOT CONTRACTUALLY PERMITTED.
-Their bump in HSA contributions still lacks republic's by 35%.
-Their Healthcare premiums are 30%+ higher than republic's
-Their average line value SYSTEM WIDE (not just selectively factoring the 900s) is 14 days off with 76 hours credit.
-And we haven't even touched on the "industry standard" co-basing that republic does not have.
Oh, and republic (and other carriers) credit 4.2 minimum, not 4.0
HSA contributions look to be 800 for individual/1600 family at republic, 700/1300 at Endeavor. I can't find the exact cost of Republic insurance , but the Republic contract says the company pays at least 65% of the cost of the PPO plan... same exact language in Endeavor's contract. Where are you getting these 30 and 35% higher at Endeavor figures?

Also, it is perfectly reasonable to compare Republic's TA terms to Endeavor's 900 figures. Endeavor will be 74% crj700/900 by June.

Finally, codomicile came in exchange for positive space second attempt commuting. They'll even buy a passenger off the flight if needed for you to get you to work. While most pilots aren't too happy about the codomicile, positive space commuting is a game changer. The company and union have been showing positive progress at getting improvements to transportation between the two airports.
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