2018 Tentative Agreement
01-06-2018, 06:36 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
This union provided quote says all you need to know...
"Industry average does NOT include Endeavor or Republic rates".
"Industry average does NOT include Endeavor or Republic rates".
In very small print at the bottom of the page
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01-06-2018, 07:04 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
This union provided quote says all you need to know...
"Industry average does NOT include Endeavor or Republic rates".
"Industry average does NOT include Endeavor or Republic rates".
You don't have to like the TA. But providing misleading information does a disservice to the entire industry.
Last I checked, republic will be back at the table in less than two years (btw, this TA came 9 months BEFORE the current amendable date). Edv and Envoy amendable dates are 2024. SKW, GoJets, Mesa, and Horizon just signed new (and substantially subpar) deals. No one is scheduled to come back to the table any time soon. Who, other than republic, is left to move the goal posts? AA wholly-owneds? That's laughable.
01-06-2018, 07:42 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by MileHi
Propsed HSA contributions are $850/$1700 respectively. Endeavor pays $411/month for the family plan vs $308 at republic while having a smaller HSA contribution. Also, 74% 900s is not 100%. Your OVERALL average schedule is 76 hours with 14 days off. Republic's is 87 with the same number of days off. I guess a give on co-basing in exchange for commuter flights could be a good tradeoff if you're a commuter. But what if you live in base? Oh by the way, regardless of the frequency used, republic still prohibits junior manning. And no pilot sits airport standby either. QOL matters.
You are correct, there is no junior manning and that is a good thing. Reserves are abused however. Its common on the sixth day of a am reserve stretch to be assigned a trip that doesn't get back until that night. They are so short FOs that Captains are forced to play FO all the time when on reserve which is dangerous ( look up the term muscle memory) and annoying. Yes they get Captain pay. Long call reserves are assigned out of base reserve and put on short call all the time out of base. Yes QOL matters and when you are on reserve there is none. Why was their no retention bonus in this TA after corporation after corporation has been giving out bonuses due to the corporate tax rate cut? The rates, PDO and 401k increase are ok but far from great.
01-06-2018, 07:55 PM
#47
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Why is that laughable? I think most of us fail to see the humor in that.
Originally Posted by MileHi
This is a dishonest half-truth at best. The rate analysis includes two comparisons. One has everyone but Endeavor. But the other one ONLY compares Endeavor and Republic.
You don't have to like the TA. But providing misleading information does a disservice to the entire industry.
Last I checked, republic will be back at the table in less than two years (btw, this TA came 9 months BEFORE the current amendable date). Edv and Envoy amendable dates are 2024. SKW, GoJets, Mesa, and Horizon just signed new (and substantially subpar) deals. No one is scheduled to come back to the table any time soon. Who, other than republic, is left to move the goal posts? AA wholly-owneds? That's laughable.
You don't have to like the TA. But providing misleading information does a disservice to the entire industry.
Last I checked, republic will be back at the table in less than two years (btw, this TA came 9 months BEFORE the current amendable date). Edv and Envoy amendable dates are 2024. SKW, GoJets, Mesa, and Horizon just signed new (and substantially subpar) deals. No one is scheduled to come back to the table any time soon. Who, other than republic, is left to move the goal posts? AA wholly-owneds? That's laughable.
01-06-2018, 08:35 PM
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I see a lot of yelling and angry posts. I’m wondering what the best way the pilot group can convey what would get a yes vote from them and what they currently don’t like. There seems to be a lot of egos in play as well and it’s hard to tell what is someone’s own agenda and what is factual. Just an observation.
01-06-2018, 09:00 PM
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Here’s how I see it...
If they don’t improve what they proposed in this TA, recruiting and retaining FOs is gonna be very hard for Republic.
Not being the highest paid, not having guaranteed interviews or flows, not offering hotel nights for commuters, not having the SAP fully implemented (yeah it’s supposed to start working for the feb bid, but who knows), upgrade time still over 3 years.
The few who decide to fly for Republic will get their 1000hrs 121 and bye bye... JetBlue, Spirit, Allegiant, Delta, Atlas, they all have taken people with no PIC time.
Seriously? This is their solution?
If they don’t improve what they proposed in this TA, recruiting and retaining FOs is gonna be very hard for Republic.
Not being the highest paid, not having guaranteed interviews or flows, not offering hotel nights for commuters, not having the SAP fully implemented (yeah it’s supposed to start working for the feb bid, but who knows), upgrade time still over 3 years.
The few who decide to fly for Republic will get their 1000hrs 121 and bye bye... JetBlue, Spirit, Allegiant, Delta, Atlas, they all have taken people with no PIC time.
Seriously? This is their solution?
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