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Web265 02-19-2020 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by Bluetaildragger (Post 2979624)
Each of the WOs are different. I can speak most clearly to PDT and that is a simple ratio of pilots on the seniority list to pilots flowing per month. It's currently at 6 and there's no chance it goes to 7 because the company isn't growing. The only catch and the only way it can be slowed down at Piedmont is if AA stops having classes.

I've always been under the impression that PDT had the best flow language and that is was different than the other WO's. That not the case?

dera 02-19-2020 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Milksheikh (Post 2979615)
aren’t there 3 groups of flows? As each group finishes don’t they flow less and less pilots to aa ending in the lesser of 25% of yearly aa hires or some formula? Which group is currently flowing?

3 groups but one is fully gone now so 2 left, and no, it's not less and less. It's 20 a month and likely to go up to 21 later this year, depends on the size of the pilot group (and the 25%, but based on AA's predictions that won't be the limiting factor). No contractual language to slow it down.

Bluetaildragger 02-19-2020 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Web265 (Post 2979630)
I've always been under the impression that PDT had the best flow language and that is was different than the other WO's. That not the case?

Didn't mean to make it sound like it wasn't a good deal, it is pretty good. When I said there's no chance of it increasing, that was a little misleading. Because it is linked to the size of the pilot group, it currently is unlikely it will increase anytime soon because the pilot group would need to increase by about 130 pilots or so. They aren't growing and are only really hiring to cover attrition. If you mean that 6 pilots per month isn't many, you need to look at it in terms of a ratio of flows per month versus the size of the seniority list. PDT is pretty small so the lower number per month evens it out. That said, someone hired today isn't going to flow in a super short amount of time, so look at all your options and I think some people here have expressed some solid opinions on the flow being in your back pocket if you need it, but try to get hired somewhere prior.

Milksheikh 02-19-2020 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2979639)
3 groups but one is fully gone now so 2 left, and no, it's not less and less. It's 20 a month and likely to go up to 21 later this year, depends on the size of the pilot group (and the 25%, but based on AA's predictions that won't be the limiting factor). No contractual language to slow it down.

Just so I got this right.. if AA hires 1200 pilots a year they’ll take 240 (20 a month) from envoy not 25% which would be 300. And if they hire 500 in a year, they’ll take 25% so 125 from envoy. Looks like they take whichever happens to be less with the last group.

Swakid8 02-19-2020 06:16 AM

PSA is just straight up 10 per month right now.....

170driver 02-19-2020 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2979668)
PSA is just straight up 10 per month right now.....



Ouch. New hires would take 10-15 years to flow...


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Swakid8 02-19-2020 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by 170driver (Post 2979687)
Ouch. New hires would take 10-15 years to flow...


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its calculated about 9-9.5 years along with Attrition to outside carriers. I don’t see that flow staying at 10 per month though.

captive apple 02-19-2020 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2979767)
its calculated about 9-9.5 years along with Attrition to outside carriers. I don’t see that flow staying at 10 per month though.

Because why? Contractual or you don’t think anyone could be so cruel?

Swakid8 02-19-2020 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2979772)
Because why? Contractual or you don’t think anyone could be so cruel?

I have a hunch, just like I had a hunch about our pay raises that fame last year, and just like a hunch when PSA opened a crew base with where I lived right when I got hired. Yule-C.

Paid2fly 02-19-2020 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by MIkeFavinger (Post 2979534)
I don't know anything about Republic, but at the Majors, the above isn't a thing and it doesn't matter.



Since when?

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