They would fight for 10 hours 121 to upgrade
05-06-2023, 11:57 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by killbilly
It's getting roasted pretty hard in the few forums/circles I frequent, and at least one person claiming to be an attorney has pointed out some significant flaws in the contract, so it would SEEM glaringly obvious that it would be a bad idea to sign, right?
But there's scads of Restricted ATPs out there clamoring for an FO seat at the Regionals right now, and it's really, really hard to be circumspect about something like this when you're miserable where you are.
Just an anecdote, but there was an interesting side effect here: I had interviewed with RPA last summer and eventually got a CJO with no class date, and then the class date they assigned but never told me about was moved and meanwhile they ignored all communications. I shrugged and took an offer with another regional that treated me infinitely better than RPA did. That was almost a year ago.
Today, like many FOs, I'm sitting around on reserve and trying to fly when I can and hoping and praying to get trips post-consolidation because like everywhere else, we have a CA problem in that we don't have enough of them. Everyone knows that reserve universally sucks, it's just a degree of how bad, right?
Well, since this contract from RPA hit the streets I've re-evaluated my situation with fresh eyes and decided that although we don't have many of the things RPA does, we sure as hell don't have THAT stinker of a contract hanging over us. And it made me feel a little bit better about where I am, and the grass over at RPA looks just a little less green now.
But there's scads of Restricted ATPs out there clamoring for an FO seat at the Regionals right now, and it's really, really hard to be circumspect about something like this when you're miserable where you are.
Just an anecdote, but there was an interesting side effect here: I had interviewed with RPA last summer and eventually got a CJO with no class date, and then the class date they assigned but never told me about was moved and meanwhile they ignored all communications. I shrugged and took an offer with another regional that treated me infinitely better than RPA did. That was almost a year ago.
Today, like many FOs, I'm sitting around on reserve and trying to fly when I can and hoping and praying to get trips post-consolidation because like everywhere else, we have a CA problem in that we don't have enough of them. Everyone knows that reserve universally sucks, it's just a degree of how bad, right?
Well, since this contract from RPA hit the streets I've re-evaluated my situation with fresh eyes and decided that although we don't have many of the things RPA does, we sure as hell don't have THAT stinker of a contract hanging over us. And it made me feel a little bit better about where I am, and the grass over at RPA looks just a little less green now.
05-06-2023, 02:59 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Redtails4U
Ok help me out here, what kind of person would sign this.
Republic has been, historically, a decent enough regional to work for. Offering, at least now, good pay, lot's of bases, a very good airplane, and some generous current retention bonuses. This is a way for them to really help curb their shortage of captain. And if they were to go out of business in a couple years, then the contract will obviously be nullified anyway and those who signed could go whereever they want. But, at least to me, it seems completely reasonable why a young, hungry pilot with no turbine experience would see this opportunity to go to class immediately as a good option in the current market for low time FOs (aka struggling to find a date with anyone). Sure is better than sitting at home, not progressing your 121 career at all.
05-06-2023, 03:30 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by skyyy
But I would like to hear some counter arguments here!
With storm clouds building in the economy, a 3-4 year contract might not be a bad idea if guaranteed both ways but pretty sure they can furlough as needed. Companies can also find ways to let you go if needed, so be aware.
05-06-2023, 03:38 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by skyyy
But I would like to hear some counter arguments here!
Not saying that’s the case, but a more balanced opinion might allay the apprehensions and suspicions of some of your conspiracy minded brethren (probably 60-65% of those posting here).
05-06-2023, 03:58 PM
#16
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Nah not management lol. I'm just genuinely interested by the backlash this news has been receiving right off the bat. Obviously, it isn't going to be the answer for some people; but I think I can name about 10 CFI buddies that would jump all over this offer if it meant they could do their dream job of being an airline pilot. Some of us are stubborn and want to be an airline pilot so bad, that we don't really consider other turbine opportunities like charter gigs. Although frankly, Republic is offering a pay package (with salary, bonuses, and soft pay) that no charter gigs, that will hire CFIs fresh off of ATP minimums, could ever equal. It just seems like a good opportunity for people in the right situation with no a whole lot of downside. Other than some good points about getting your medical stripped, or possibly family emergencies that could get delay getting to the left seat.
05-06-2023, 04:06 PM
#17
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Bait & Switch to cape air
Interviewed recently with Repub, all questions were asked as per usual, up until the very end of the phone screen where I was placed on hold, *as he grabs the word track to read off of* and proceeds to explain theres too many FO applicants and we're in need of captains so here's your offer to Cape Air - where you'll fly for 700 PIC hrs, and upon completion, we will take you back as 121 Capt with bonus. Nowhere in the job descrption or application will you see the words CAPE AIR up until the very last 2 mins of your phone call. I found this very deceiving and it caught me off guard. If one wanted to apply for Cape Air, they would've done just that...
Anyway, here's just a heads up for those who might've gotten an acceptance email for FO position..I'll leave you guys to decide how this can make a company look...
Anyway, here's just a heads up for those who might've gotten an acceptance email for FO position..I'll leave you guys to decide how this can make a company look...
05-06-2023, 05:24 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by pilot1011
Interviewed recently with Repub, all questions were asked as per usual, up until the very end of the phone screen where I was placed on hold, *as he grabs the word track to read off of* and proceeds to explain theres too many FO applicants and we're in need of captains so here's your offer to Cape Air - where you'll fly for 700 PIC hrs, and upon completion, we will take you back as 121 Capt with bonus. Nowhere in the job descrption or application will you see the words CAPE AIR up until the very last 2 mins of your phone call. I found this very deceiving and it caught me off guard. If one wanted to apply for Cape Air, they would've done just that...
Anyway, here's just a heads up for those who might've gotten an acceptance email for FO position..I'll leave you guys to decide how this can make a company look...
Anyway, here's just a heads up for those who might've gotten an acceptance email for FO position..I'll leave you guys to decide how this can make a company look...
Is Cape Air even under part 121?
05-06-2023, 05:34 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by BarbaraPalvin
damn!
Is Cape Air even under part 121?
Is Cape Air even under part 121?
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as:
(i) Second in command in operations under this part;
(ii) Pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter;
(iii) Pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter;
(iv) Pilot in command in eligible on-demand operations that require the pilot to satisfy § 135.4(a)(2)(ii)(A) of this chapter; or
(v) Any combination thereof.
(i) Second in command in operations under this part;
(ii) Pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter;
(iii) Pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter;
(iv) Pilot in command in eligible on-demand operations that require the pilot to satisfy § 135.4(a)(2)(ii)(A) of this chapter; or
(v) Any combination thereof.
05-06-2023, 06:23 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by skyyy
Young CFI who is, number 1, tired of their instructor job after instructing for well past their respective ATP minimums. Second, the person who keeps hearing "get on with whoever as fast as you possibly can! Seniority is everything and the faster you get 121 turbine time the better!". Third, people who have continued to have their class dates pushed by other carriers, with thoughts of who knows when they'll possibly get to go to training. After all, it's only a 3-4 year commitment, and for someone in their very early 20s that really isn't a huge deal to them. Still make a major by the time they're 25-26. And that's if the contract stands up to Union scrutiny and possible court hearings as others inevitably break the contract.
Republic has been, historically, a decent enough regional to work for. Offering, at least now, good pay, lot's of bases, a very good airplane, and some generous current retention bonuses. This is a way for them to really help curb their shortage of captain. And if they were to go out of business in a couple years, then the contract will obviously be nullified anyway and those who signed could go whereever they want. But, at least to me, it seems completely reasonable why a young, hungry pilot with no turbine experience would see this opportunity to go to class immediately as a good option in the current market for low time FOs (aka struggling to find a date with anyone). Sure is better than sitting at home, not progressing your 121 career at all.
Republic has been, historically, a decent enough regional to work for. Offering, at least now, good pay, lot's of bases, a very good airplane, and some generous current retention bonuses. This is a way for them to really help curb their shortage of captain. And if they were to go out of business in a couple years, then the contract will obviously be nullified anyway and those who signed could go whereever they want. But, at least to me, it seems completely reasonable why a young, hungry pilot with no turbine experience would see this opportunity to go to class immediately as a good option in the current market for low time FOs (aka struggling to find a date with anyone). Sure is better than sitting at home, not progressing your 121 career at all.
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