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Old 05-07-2023, 07:31 PM
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Your myopic thinking is painfully obvious. Sorry to break it to you, pilots are only 1 piece of the puzzle with many many pieces. You need to get out of your bubble...you will be amazed at what you can learn.
You might be the myopic one. An A220 doing two turns to an outstation each day instead of a CRJ-200 doing 4 turns burns significantly less fuel and now with higher regional pay rates, has significantly lower crew costs too. NPS will be higher too.
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Old 05-07-2023, 07:48 PM
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There was a time when some said, quite proudly, "we don't hire first officers here, we hire future captains."

I once mentioned to a first-officer new hire class that today (day one) was the first day of their captain upgrade. Judging from the confused googly-eyes, most didn't get it. I was not surprised.

Give it six months after signing, and this board will be inundated by those who got what they wanted, and now with a brighter, shinier jet waiting in the wings, will start threads here ad nauseam asking how they can get out of the contract. These requests will bel met with ridicule until there's enough asking to form a majority or a quorum, and then the tide will turn against any who might impugn the credibility of those dishonorable enough to break their contract.

Six months.
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Old 05-07-2023, 07:50 PM
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You might be the myopic one. An A220 doing two turns to an outstation each day instead of a CRJ-200 doing 4 turns burns significantly less fuel and now with higher regional pay rates, has significantly lower crew costs too. NPS will be higher too.
If a city is seeing 4 CRJ 200 turns a day, thats to feed multiple banks. Which in turn usually shows yields are higher per seat mile, meaning a higher percentage of business or government travel. I am far from the myopic one here.
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If a city is seeing 4 CRJ 200 turns a day, thats to feed multiple banks. Which in turn usually shows yields are higher per seat mile, meaning a higher percentage of business or government travel. I am far from the myopic one here.
one flight can feed two (or more) banks.
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Old 05-08-2023, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen View Post
one flight can feed two (or more) banks.
Going to double down on that statement? Can I give you some advice? Lick your wounds and walk away.....
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FAR121 View Post
"Pilot will aggressively pursue the path to Captain upgrade, meaning Pilot is willing to pick up extra flight time available in addition to his/her monthly schedule in order to fly as many hours that are reasonably available to make Captain upgrade as soon as possible (i.e. within 12-18 months from date of hire ("DOH"), but no later than 24 months from
DOH);"

I like this…pick up a bunch of extra FO flying, as if Republic has a bunch of that available somewhere…
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Old 05-09-2023, 07:12 PM
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Nah not management lol. I'm just genuinely interested by the backlash this news has been receiving right off the bat. Obviously, it isn't going to be the answer for some people; but I think I can name about 10 CFI buddies that would jump all over this offer if it meant they could do their dream job of being an airline pilot. Some of us are stubborn and want to be an airline pilot so bad, that we don't really consider other turbine opportunities like charter gigs. Although frankly, Republic is offering a pay package (with salary, bonuses, and soft pay) that no charter gigs, that will hire CFIs fresh off of ATP minimums, could ever equal. It just seems like a good opportunity for people in the right situation with no a whole lot of downside. Other than some good points about getting your medical stripped, or possibly family emergencies that could get delay getting to the left seat.
I'm gonna sound harsh, but you and your buddies are what's wrong with this industry. It's the reason pay was so low, you had to pay for your type rating, etc. So excited to fly a bright shiny jet that you'd do it for free
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Old 05-10-2023, 05:34 AM
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I'm gonna sound harsh, but you and your buddies are what's wrong with this industry. It's the reason pay was so low, you had to pay for your type rating, etc. So excited to fly a bright shiny jet that you'd do it for free
Wait, unions take money from pilots to advocate for stuff like pay. Lets talk about that for a minute....
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Old 05-10-2023, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden View Post
And why do you suppose that mainline doesn't do its own in house regional jet flying? And you talk about pay scales...why is there such a thing as a pay scale for each equipment type? I mean, its the same job right? Fly a 737 from ATL to BNA, or fly a A350 from LAX to HND. Why should the pay be any different?
Is this a serious post?

The difference between a CR9, a 737, and an A350 is the amount of revenue generated per flight hour. You may not realize this, but the 350 generates a lot more than the others. The CR9 is the least. That's why pilots are paid by the type and number of seats in the aircraft. Those pilots are generating more revenue, so they get a bigger cut.

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Originally Posted by Tropical View Post
Is this a serious post?

The difference between a CR9, a 737, and an A350 is the amount of revenue generated per flight hour. You may not realize this, but the 350 generates a lot more than the others. The CR9 is the least. That's why pilots are paid by the type and number of seats in the aircraft. Those pilots are generating more revenue, so they get a bigger cut.

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Trop , I was just trying to dive into it a little further and you can call me crazy if you want 😂😂. The thing about revenue is that when all the passengers buy their tickets ,wether for a flight a day from now or 6 months from now , all that money is already in the bank at Wells Fargo. The employees and aircraft are not generating any money . The entire operation costs Delta money that is already in the bank . How much of that money Delta gets to keep and profit from the operation depends on how cheaply they can operate everything on a daily bases. As pilots we actually get paid by the size and complexity of the aircraft . Obviously it costs much more to operate a 737 than a CRJ 900 . Yes it’s published that the pay rates are based on seats but all we are doing on each aircraft is flying people from A to B that already gave their money to Delta . Each flight that is operated is costing Delta money . We aren’t generating anything . Obviously as pilots the bigger the plane ,the more slice of the pie you get paid . Interestingly enough the Flight Attendants get paid a flat fee per hour and do not get paid more for working a bigger plane . If a Flight Attendant is making 50 bucks an hour , they get paid that rate no matter what plane they work. I know they get international override pay , but it’s the same hourly rate otherwise . Ramp crews get paid the same no matter if they are working a 350 or a CRJ 900. Why do pilots get paid more for a bigger plane ? Because we have enough leverage to negotiate that and as far as flying a bigger , more complex aircraft there is more to it obviously and one should be paid more . But why isn’t a FA paid 30 bucks an hour more to work a 757 versus working a 717 or CRJ 900? They used to feed us this Bull that they couldn’t afford to pay a “mainline” pay rate to pilots on the 70 to 76 seaters😂. Of course we are seeing that was false and a lie and airlines are making huge profits while paying 60 percent higher pay rates on RJ’s. They don’t charge passengers less money for a ticket because one or more of their flight segments are on an RJ .
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