If you are attempting to say RAH doesn't pay their pilots what they ware worth based on your summary below, what say ye about the rest of the regionals who pay less than $90K per year?

Most of the regionals are around the $100,000-$110,000 over 3 year range like RAH now. Only Endeavor has separated itself.

The reason why I would put RAH near the bottom is because they likely will be going through the most pains out of the others.

Endeavor offers the best package right now and after that you are looking at similar pay at the rest, you just have to factor in their attrition and movement opportunities and bases.

Endeavor - $159,000
RAH - $119,100-131,600
Envoy - $88,808
Xjet - $99,300
Mesa - $79,196

That was 7 minutes worth of effort. I'll let you show me the rest who are up to $110K as RAH and Endeavor are.

I don't think you really understand how RAH's pay stacks up against Envoy and Xjet. Xjet has a far superior contract that includes 401K starting at a 100% match of 4% and 2.5% DC on top of that. 6.5% from the company for putting in 4%. What does RAH give you for putting in 4%? Envoy has a real flow and movement, while RAH doesn't. Envoy will likely become the Endeavor for AA.

As for pay at others, most are pushing the the same $100,000-$110,000 range to keep staffing their airlines. Endeavor is the only one pushing $160,000+ and RAH isn't even in the ballpark and add their risk with shrinking on top of that.

We're talking base pay here. Neither you nor I have the time nor energy to add up things like 401K and DH/CXL pay.

XJet also has 2+ years sitting on reserve, which means you won't get your 1,000 121 time for 2-3 years. And that is priceless when it comes to movement to a mainline.

Each place has its particular attraction for different folks. Money is not everything to everyone. In my examples here, XJet will pay $20K per year more than Mesa. But it will take twice as long at XJet to have the minimums to be hired at mainline, which will have HUGE pay differential over 10 years down the road. Hard to calculate, impossible to argue.

Ummm, 401K matters. 50% match on 401K is not equal to 162.5% match on a 401K (4% at 100% plus a free 2.5%). That actually means you need to make a 4-5% higher adjustment on Xjet's rates when compared to RAH's.

And all of that can be rendered meaningless in a week due to a market decline. Let's see what happens in the coming months...

And not everyone is smart enough, or able, to max out their 401K. Don't try to change the subject by tossing in variables.

Since I have no skin in this game. Would it not be fair then to also exclude the 20k/yr retention bonus? Is there a contractual guarantee for this bonus or if the **** hits the fan all the sudden do they have the ability to yank it?

It always seems odd to me that people always include it as a 100% guarentee. As of now come 35 months from now it's gone and they are out from being "#1".

Good point. Then again, in 35 months, the face of regional flying will be very different from what it is today, me thinks.

From my understanding, the $23K retention bonus (not $20K) goes thru the end of 2018, contractually.

???? Are you saying you are going to sell you 401K holdings because the market goes down?

That money would gain 7-8% annually over 30 years in a S&P 500 fund. And if the market goes down, the pilot gets to buy 162% more at the reduced rate. I'm sure a 25 year old regional pilot will be just fine if the market crashes in his 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's. Those that keep investing during the crashes have made a killing with what they put in during those years.

And if you don't want to invest, it is 162% vs. 50% more in cash.

Are you trying to say pilots shouldn't take into account the 15-17% DC at DAL, UAL, and AA? That's 15-17% on top of their earnings. 15-17% more they don't have to stash away than their counterparts at airlines without it.