Gender pronouns matter, the one you chose may not be correct IIRC.

 

Naw, if the other guy/girl/whatever can pick whatever pronoun he/she/it wants to use,so can the rest of us...

 

Ok we can go with the needed Mesa bashing- from a captain who works there and personally failed out of his first 121 gig, "Mesa is where you go when you've got multiple failures or you've failed out of another training program."

Second example, a FO over there who resigned from another regional rather than TRB/termination told us that he got a job offer from Mesa without a face to face interview less than 60 minutes after submitting an application. The recruiting department contacted him 5 minutes after submitting his app. What other airlines are hiring pilots in under an hour? Knowing that the candidate resigned after some IOE?

Sure there are outstanding pilots over there, but there's a ton of pilots who couldn't hack it somewhere else. Heck I've even heard of guys being fired for sexual harassment with a good airline that can't get the phone to ring anywhere else, so Mesa is their only option to stay in aviation. For some people it's a good option to turn a new leaf and correct their previous mistakes, but for others like the Atlas 3591 FO, they have a history that makes them undesirable virtually everywhere else permanently.

 

But, the point is maybe those pilots shouldn’t have a place to “turn a new leaf”. The new leaf should be outside of aviation because, if I’ve learned anything in aviation, it’s that it has a marvelous way of weeding out the inept, inattentive or unskilled and we don’t need innocents involved.

GF

 

I second this.
What many in the industry (141 schools, airline training departments, unions, etc) seem to lose sight of is that no one is entitled to a career in aviation. It doesn't matter how badly they want it, how much money they have to fund their training, how many diversity driven lawyers are on their side or whatever sob story they can use to drum up sympathy.
Some people aren't cut out for this line of work and that's that. We'd all be better off if that was enforced stringently.

 

This why airlines so favor military pilots... they did ten years in a training and operational environment where you could not buy fourth, fifth, six, etc chances.

Foreign airlines try to replicate that with complex screening of ab initio applicants, but that isn't a perfect prediction and they still don't get the operational experience to mold their statistically ideal personalities into good aviators.

 

If that's what Mesa is then what is Atlas? It seems as if there's always somewhere for these people to go. A 12 year 747 Captain at Atlas probably makes around $150k and I've seen Captains there who should be in the Right seat or maybe even not flying... It's such a tough line to draw because most of us have been cut a break somewhere in training in their lives but where exactly do you draw the line? CA was certainly over it....

 

I've seen military pilots who needed a career change. Some of them got one but I did see a few slip through the cracks.

 

See Adlerdriver’s comment. Atlas and Mesa, to single out two “new leaves” need to step up and say, “.try something else for a career”. It was two consecutive failed checkrides and FEB time, not sure if that’s still true.

Having been in both communities, getting a “pass” is easier in heavies than tactical. In fighters, weak ones either scare the DO and he acts or they kill themselves. In heavies, it’s a bit dicier as there’s the cover of being part of a crew. I was involved in three Flying Evaluation Boards, as witness, as board president and once as DO (alright OG) who went to the one-star recommending an FEB. One respondent was saved to go to a heavy, the other two respondents lost their wings and subsequently terminated at their airline, not because of the FEB, but behaviors tend to continue on outside of the military. Maybe there could be an FAA FEB process that isn’t violation driven.

GF

 

oh! This is so perfect. I’m gonna use this in the future.