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Old 05-14-2021, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by NewCareer View Post
Ha. Exactly! And the Cirrus even called him in sight.

The tone in Key Limes voice is shockingly chill (and awesome). Almost like “Awww darn. Not again. This happened three times last week. Guess I’ll just continue.” Well done, sir!
Maybe he’s an OG Keylime guy and was on the receiving end when a couple of their Metros tried to mate on the DIA freight ramp years ago.
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Old 05-15-2021, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by trent890 View Post
Radar indicated 140kt GS on the SR22 in the downwind leg, increasing to 150kt+ in the turn to base leg. Not surprised he overshoots the turn to final.
High altitude. High true airspeed.
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Old 05-15-2021, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by NewCareer View Post
Ha. Exactly! And the Cirrus even called him in sight.

The tone in Key Limes voice is shockingly chill (and awesome). Almost like “Awww darn. Not again. This happened three times last week. Guess I’ll just continue.” Well done, sir!
The cirrus was talking about the Cessna he was following. From his position and altitude he wouldn’t have seen the metro liner.
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Old 05-29-2021, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
High altitude. High true airspeed.
Oh, thank you esteemed Large RJ pilot for replying to my post to point out that true airspeed is higher for the same indicated airspeed when altitude is increased. Do you consider 7000 feet MSL in the traffic pattern to be a "high" altitude?

If the 150kt groundspeed of a light single-engine SR22 is attributed to the higher true airspeed as a result of the increased altitude, then similar elevated groundspeeds should be reflected in the other two nearby aircraft in the traffic pattern. The light single-engine C172 ahead of the SR22 showed a groundspeed of 90kt in the downwind to base turn. And the large multi-engine Metroliner turboprop had a groundspeed of 110kt on a straight-in final just before it was struck by the SR22.

So the increased altitude gives a TAS that is about 14% higher than the IAS. I mentioned the groundspeed of the SR22 in my post not because of the increased TAS versus IAS due to the altitude. I fail to comprehend how a 150kt TAS (~135kt IAS) is an "appropriate airspeed" (as prescribed in the Airman Certification Standards) for a light single-engine airplane on the base leg in the traffic pattern, when following another light single-engine airplane. I think the SR22 pilot exhibited a significant lack of airmanship, and possibly in a careless or reckless way contrary to the FAR.
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Old 05-29-2021, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
High altitude. High true airspeed.
That's still booking. In fact, if flying in a traffic pattern with other slower traffic, you can always put the flaps out if you have to, give your more protection against stall, I have many times. Seeing as an SR22s stall speed is around 60kts, the guy was still booking crazy fast. I was thinking about how the guy seemed to be going faster on base than I go in a KA.
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Old 05-29-2021, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
That's still booking. In fact, if flying in a traffic pattern with other slower traffic, you can always put the flaps out if you have to, give your more protection against stall, I have many times. Seeing as an SR22s stall speed is around 60kts, the guy was still booking crazy fast. I was thinking about how the guy seemed to be going faster on base than I go in a KA.
Yeah, that's a jet speed he was going too fast in a GA pattern.
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Old 05-30-2021, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
Maybe he’s an OG Keylime guy and was on the receiving end when a couple of their Metros tried to mate on the DIA freight ramp years ago.
when I was at Superior Aviation decades earlier they did the same to one of our metros....looked like a the Myth busters episode.... slice's down the side...still remember, n229am.
had the tail rebuilt complements of key lime, and a fresh paint job.
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