“Snort” Snodgrass Killed in Airplane Accident
08-10-2021, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Or jammed (or gust lock)? I saw no oscillations, the plane seemed to just fly itself off and then pitch up without the usual taildragger pitch level maneuver prior to unstick.
Although you' think he'd reject the T/O if the controls were frozen when he tried to level the nose on the roll. Or try to reverse the controls, people have managed to figure that out before.
I'd like to think a guy like that might have had the reactions to identify and remove the gust lock quickly enough on the fly. Probably depends on the gust lock design though, no idea for that plane.
Although you' think he'd reject the T/O if the controls were frozen when he tried to level the nose on the roll. Or try to reverse the controls, people have managed to figure that out before.
I'd like to think a guy like that might have had the reactions to identify and remove the gust lock quickly enough on the fly. Probably depends on the gust lock design though, no idea for that plane.
08-10-2021, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Or jammed (or gust lock)? I saw no oscillations, the plane seemed to just fly itself off and then pitch up without the usual taildragger pitch level maneuver prior to unstick.
Although you' think he'd reject the T/O if the controls were frozen when he tried to level the nose on the roll. Or try to reverse the controls, people have managed to figure that out before.
I'd like to think a guy like that might have had the reactions to identify and remove the gust lock quickly enough on the fly. Probably depends on the gust lock design though, no idea for that plane.
Although you' think he'd reject the T/O if the controls were frozen when he tried to level the nose on the roll. Or try to reverse the controls, people have managed to figure that out before.
I'd like to think a guy like that might have had the reactions to identify and remove the gust lock quickly enough on the fly. Probably depends on the gust lock design though, no idea for that plane.
08-10-2021, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Electrickjet
Sudden aft CG change?
08-11-2021, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Or jammed (or gust lock)? I saw no oscillations, the plane seemed to just fly itself off and then pitch up without the usual taildragger pitch level maneuver prior to unstick.
Although you' think he'd reject the T/O if the controls were frozen when he tried to level the nose on the roll. Or try to reverse the controls, people have managed to figure that out before.
I'd like to think a guy like that might have had the reactions to identify and remove the gust lock quickly enough on the fly. Probably depends on the gust lock design though, no idea for that plane.
Although you' think he'd reject the T/O if the controls were frozen when he tried to level the nose on the roll. Or try to reverse the controls, people have managed to figure that out before.
I'd like to think a guy like that might have had the reactions to identify and remove the gust lock quickly enough on the fly. Probably depends on the gust lock design though, no idea for that plane.
The guy with the YouTube channel called “blancolirio” did a really nice analysis and found that the gust lock system on that aircraft also locks the rudder pedals. He showed that it would be highly unlikely to impossible to even taxi the airplane with the gust lock still in place.
08-11-2021, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by trip
I've read the type gust lock on that plane flips up from the floor and effectively also depresses the brakes so the plane won't even roll? Hopefully there wasn't a seatbelt around the aft stick or something. The investigators should be able to sort this one out.
i would also say that if the rear seat was wrapped around the stick the FRONT stick would also be full aft. I’m thinking he would have seen that.
I’m thinking that perhaps he left the elevator pitch trim in the full nose up setting- perhaps from the previous landing?
With the elevator trim in the full aft position, the nose would pitch off the ground very rapidly as we saw in the video.
Also, I thought perhaps he inputted some nose-up trim and then perhaps it ran away full nose up deflection.
What throws the trim theory in question though is that there was seemingly no nose down elevator input to at least try to overcome the severe pitch up.
08-11-2021, 09:36 AM
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Anybody else the distinct LACK of any control surface movement during the takeoff sequence, airborne or even during the impact?
I don't think 'control lock' issue, control surface issue caused by xxxxxx, and that is where the NTSB comes in.
I don't think 'control lock' issue, control surface issue caused by xxxxxx, and that is where the NTSB comes in.
08-11-2021, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Anybody else the distinct LACK of any control surface movement during the takeoff sequence, airborne or even during the impact?
I don't think 'control lock' issue, control surface issue caused by xxxxxx, and that is where the NTSB comes in.
I don't think 'control lock' issue, control surface issue caused by xxxxxx, and that is where the NTSB comes in.
08-11-2021, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
Could have simply been a massive heart attack that caused him to reflexively yank the stick back. Stranger things have happened to younger men.
08-11-2021, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Anybody else the distinct LACK of any control surface movement during the takeoff sequence, airborne or even during the impact?
I don't think 'control lock' issue, control surface issue caused by xxxxxx, and that is where the NTSB comes in.
I don't think 'control lock' issue, control surface issue caused by xxxxxx, and that is where the NTSB comes in.
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