LH 747 Hard Landing
04-28-2024, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes, but Positive Rate, Gear Up. Maybe somebody was a little rattled.
Don’t salvage a bounce. Go. Just like they did. After the energy is gone, the nose is coming down. All by itself. You’re along for the ride
04-28-2024, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
It's embarrassing for the profession. Imagine if you saw a fellow doctor tying stitches using squirrel knots. You wouldn't care for it either. "Seriously? You made it through residency but that's how you close up??"
Imagine watching the surgeon removing/amputating the WRONG appendange/organ?
04-28-2024, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
It's embarrassing for the profession. Imagine if you saw a fellow doctor tying stitches using squirrel knots. You wouldn't care for it either. "Seriously? You made it through residency but that's how you close up??"
I really doubt the commentator in that video was a pilot.
04-29-2024, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
You know what they say: any landing you can go around from can't be all bad.
"They," in the purely trumpian sense. I don't mean that in a good way.
"They," in the purely trumpian sense. I don't mean that in a good way.
My guess is, if both of us knew each other's peers, they would say we believe we are right even when we are wrong. They misread us, or at least me. I know how often I'm wrong. I'm wrong a lot. It's just that I also appreciate how often our peers and superiors are wrong as well. They get it wrong just as often.
Folks, we are all likely wrong here. We don't have enough information to derive anything useful. But we CAN make a practical impact. We can let that training department, that OE student and that ERB do their work.
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04-29-2024, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation
We can't on one hand rail against the likes of Juan Browne's YouTube nonsense while at the same time make comments about an event based on nothing but somebody filming planes from the airport fence.
My guess is, if both of us knew each other's peers, they would say we believe we are right even when we are wrong. They misread us, or at least me. I know how often I'm wrong. I'm wrong a lot. It's just that I also appreciate how often our peers and superiors are wrong as well. They get it wrong just as often.
Folks, we are all likely wrong here. We don't have enough information to derive anything useful. But we CAN make a practical impact. We can let that training department, that OE student and that ERB do their work.
My guess is, if both of us knew each other's peers, they would say we believe we are right even when we are wrong. They misread us, or at least me. I know how often I'm wrong. I'm wrong a lot. It's just that I also appreciate how often our peers and superiors are wrong as well. They get it wrong just as often.
Folks, we are all likely wrong here. We don't have enough information to derive anything useful. But we CAN make a practical impact. We can let that training department, that OE student and that ERB do their work.
Bounced Landing Recovery
If the airplane should bounce, hold or re-establish a normal landing attitude and add thrust as necessary to control the rate of descent. Thrust need not be added for a shallow bounce or skip. When a high, hard bounce occurs, initiate a go-around. Apply go-around thrust and use normal go-around procedures. Do not retract the landing gear until a positive rate of climb is established because a second touchdown may occur during the go-around.
If higher than idle thrust is maintained through initial touchdown, the automatic speedbrake deployment may be disabled even when the speedbrakes are armed. This can result in a bounced landing.
At the end of the day, a good landing is one where one can walk away from. An excellent landing is one where the next crew can fly the same airframe one our after it's good landing.
04-29-2024, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Not sure what you're trying to say, but ok.
I really doubt the commentator in that video was a pilot.
I really doubt the commentator in that video was a pilot.
04-29-2024, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
You don't have to be a pilot to be 'qualified' to watch that and go "WTH!?!?" Watch a couple landings before, and a couple landings after, all in 12-14 kts winds in the face, and even an amateur would realize this one wasn't well done. They might not know why it went poorly (check out the elevator movements...unloading/nose down is inolvoed in every one of these nose gear smashes) but the realize it's an outlier.
04-29-2024, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
You don't have to be a pilot to be 'qualified' to watch that and go "WTH!?!?" Watch a couple landings before, and a couple landings after, all in 12-14 kts winds in the face, and even an amateur would realize this one wasn't well done. They might not know why it went poorly (check out the elevator movements...unloading/nose down is inolvoed in every one of these nose gear smashes) but the realize it's an outlier.
04-29-2024, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
I believe, IMO, that tthe LTC took appropriate actions I/A/W the 757 FCTM
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At the end of the day, a good landing is one where one can walk away from. An excellent landing is one where the next crew can fly the same airframe one our after it's good landing.
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At the end of the day, a good landing is one where one can walk away from. An excellent landing is one where the next crew can fly the same airframe one our after it's good landing.
It flew another revenu leg back home so it wasn’t all it was cranked up to be… but yeah that was a clonker
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