Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Pilot Lounge > Safety
AAL2 heavy emergency JFK >

AAL2 heavy emergency JFK

Search
Notices
Safety Accidents, suggestions on improving safety, etc

AAL2 heavy emergency JFK

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-09-2012, 05:32 AM
  #91  
Runs with scissors
 
Timbo's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,722
Default

After a successful landing the AA Captain was caught on film talking to the passengers:

Hey Everybody We're All Gonna Get Laid - YouTube

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do, to make a safe landing....that's why we get the Big Bucks (or used to).
Timbo is offline  
Old 02-11-2012, 06:52 PM
  #92  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 42
Default

Originally Posted by Swedish Blender View Post
Just an informational post

>Crosswind Demonstration.

A 90-degree crosswind component at 10 meters of at least 20 knots or 0.2 VS0, whichever is greater, except that it need not exceed 25 knots, must be demonstrated during type certification tests.

There are two results possible:
• A crosswind component value may be established which meets the minimum requirements but is not considered to be a limiting value for aircraft handling
characteristics. This "demonstrated" value should be included as information in the Aircraft Flight Manual.

•A crosswind component value may be established which is considered to be a maximum limiting value up to which it is safe to operate for takeoff and landing. This "limiting" value should be shown in the Operating Limitations section of the AFM.

According to the Flight Test Guide there are two possibilities on how to note crosswinds in the Aircraft Flight Manual AFM.1 If the demonstrated crosswind is not considered to be a limiting value for aircraft handling characteristics, this demonstrated value can be placed as information in the AFM. Higher crosswinds are then allowed when the applicable operational requirements and the airline specification allow it. For instance, the AFM of the B737-400 states the following on crosswind “The maximum demonstrated crosswind component for takeoff and landing is 35 knots reported wind at 10 meter height. This component is not considered to be limiting on a dry runway with all engines operating”.

Does this mean that there is no limit for this aircraft? No.<
Back in the mid-90s the FAA General Counsel decided that airline pilots aren't test pilots (at least most of them aren't) so the max demonstrated crosswind component had to be treated as a limitation. Airlines were directed to change their flight manuals to reflect that ruling. Now, steady state winds are controlling for preflight planning and steady state plus gusts are controlling for an approach.
asiabased is offline  
Old 02-12-2012, 01:08 PM
  #93  
Gets Weekends Off
 
HIFLYR's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 777 Captain in Training
Posts: 1,457
Default

The real question is why we as Captains let ATC mandate we operate our aircraft to sometimes the limit to allow them to have a few more arrivals or easier taxi flow. Denver is real bad about this runways into the wind but landing at max crosswind conditions on the other runways for flow. If something happens the FAA is going to ask why did you accept the runway with the 32 kt crosswind when the east/west rwy was more aligned with the wind? ATC will say they should of asked for it we would of given it to them. I for one am not going to fly my aircraft to its operational limits when there is a perfectly good runway aligned with the wind. I will do it if I have to such as only one runway but why would you just to help out ATC?
HIFLYR is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
withthatsaid182
Regional
11
04-01-2010 06:21 PM
AAflyer
Major
34
04-01-2010 09:18 AM
AUS_ATC
Major
14
03-09-2010 06:26 AM
skippy
Regional
5
04-19-2009 07:40 PM
CTPILOT
Major
23
09-13-2008 11:35 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices