Avanti down in FNT
11-22-2011, 06:39 PM
#41
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Posts: 11
Originally Posted by mowiepilot
How did you post the NTSB Preliminary Data when there isn't one posted on the NTSB Data web page ? (as of today 11.22)
11-23-2011, 07:50 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 107
One of our line Captains spoke with the SIC. He indicated that the right engine began surging, so the PIC elected to cage it. Along with losing situation awareness, touching down long and fast with a tailwind, the PIC slapped the P-180 into reverse and looped it, the mains caught and it flipped. He said that it should have been a non event, and yes, they did a poor job.
11-23-2011, 04:10 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 41
Originally Posted by MM6830563
I understand this place is called "pilot lounge", but before expressing personal views with no reference to reality, please think twice.
For an Avanti II (like the one crashed in Flint) :
With a single gen, only unpowered load is freon cooling.
With a dual gen failure, you still keep powered ADC 1, AHC 1 plus EISIS (so, 2 indipendent references both for attitude and speeds)
With dual gen and battery failure (not yet to be heard on a P-180) you still have EISIS (attitude, speed, altitude, vertical speed) plus mag compass.
Mag compass is locked to about 240° hdg when pitot, windshield heaters, forward wing anti-ice and landing lights are powered.
It's there to work when everything else has failed.
Rather than italian weirdo, certification rules.
These are the facts.
For the rest, let NTSB guys do their (usually great) job.
After all, even if it's a lounge, still it's showing "pilot" on the sign
For an Avanti II (like the one crashed in Flint) :
With a single gen, only unpowered load is freon cooling.
With a dual gen failure, you still keep powered ADC 1, AHC 1 plus EISIS (so, 2 indipendent references both for attitude and speeds)
With dual gen and battery failure (not yet to be heard on a P-180) you still have EISIS (attitude, speed, altitude, vertical speed) plus mag compass.
Mag compass is locked to about 240° hdg when pitot, windshield heaters, forward wing anti-ice and landing lights are powered.
It's there to work when everything else has failed.
Rather than italian weirdo, certification rules.
These are the facts.
For the rest, let NTSB guys do their (usually great) job.
After all, even if it's a lounge, still it's showing "pilot" on the sign
11-25-2011, 04:06 AM
#47
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by RonWeasley
One of our line Captains spoke with the SIC. He indicated that the right engine began surging, so the PIC elected to cage it. Along with losing situation awareness, touching down long and fast with a tailwind, the PIC slapped the P-180 into reverse and looped it, the mains caught and it flipped. He said that it should have been a non event, and yes, they did a poor job.
Originally Posted by ScardyCat
What RonWeasley said. I don't know what else to tell you. Just accept it.
Just accept 4th person intel.
It could be good. It might be flawed.
To all:
There is a reminder/infraction on APC called 'Unfounded Speculation on Crew Action'. It can be tricky to apply because of the grey line between talking about a mishap for safety's sake and then talking about a mishap to try and steer opinions or bathe circumstances in a certain light because you have a bone to pick with some company.
They can often use the same words and the difference will be in the presentation and the even the history of the presenter.
Tread carefully when it come to this.
USMCFLYR
11-25-2011, 08:28 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: Challenger 300/350 FO
Posts: 121
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Hear that guys?
Just accept 4th person intel.
It could be good. It might be flawed.
To all:
There is a reminder/infraction on APC called 'Unfounded Speculation on Crew Action'. It can be tricky to apply because of the grey line between talking about a mishap for safety's sake and then talking about a mishap to try and steer opinions or bathe circumstances in a certain light because you have a bone to pick with some company.
They can often use the same words and the difference will be in the presentation and the even the history of the presenter.
Tread carefully when it come to this.
USMCFLYR
Just accept 4th person intel.
It could be good. It might be flawed.
To all:
There is a reminder/infraction on APC called 'Unfounded Speculation on Crew Action'. It can be tricky to apply because of the grey line between talking about a mishap for safety's sake and then talking about a mishap to try and steer opinions or bathe circumstances in a certain light because you have a bone to pick with some company.
They can often use the same words and the difference will be in the presentation and the even the history of the presenter.
Tread carefully when it come to this.
USMCFLYR
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