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03-20-2013 | 02:00 PM
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One news channel I was watching today showed that video, and said the pilot had already made two go-arounds, this was his third attempt.
Is that correct? The weather was clear enough to see the airplane, it wasn't a vis. problem, so what were the winds? Gusting crosswind or something? I'm wondering why 3 missed approaches if the news is correct about that. Of course, they are seldom right, so that may have been his first attempt.
Is that correct? The weather was clear enough to see the airplane, it wasn't a vis. problem, so what were the winds? Gusting crosswind or something? I'm wondering why 3 missed approaches if the news is correct about that. Of course, they are seldom right, so that may have been his first attempt.
03-20-2013 | 02:16 PM
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Here's Sunday's MET Reports! Be the judge. The accident occurred around 22Z.
METAR KSBN 172254Z 11015KT 10SM CLR 02/M08 A3011 RMK AO2
SLP205 T00221078=
METAR KSBN 172154Z 11011KT 10SM CLR 03/M07 A3011 RMK AO2
SLP204 T00281072=
METAR KSBN 172054Z 11012KT 10SM CLR 03/M08 A3013 RMK AO2
SLP210 T00281083 58022=
METAR KSBN 171954Z 12010G15KT 10SM FEW037 02/M08 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP216 T00221078=
METAR KSBN 171854Z 10007KT 10SM SCT035 01/M08 A3018 RMK AO2 SLP228 T00111078=
METAR KSBN 171754Z 11009KT 10SM BKN031 01/M08 A3019 RMK AO2 SLP234 T00061078 10011 21017 58001=
METAR KSBN 171654Z 07007KT 10SM OVC031 01/M07 A3020 RMK AO2. SLP236 T00061072=
METAR KSBN 171554Z 07009KT 10SM OVC031 00/M08 A3020 RMK AO2 SLP237 T00001078=
METAR KSBN 171454Z 10009KT 10SM SCT031 M01/M08 A3020 RMK
AO2 SLP235 T10061083 51011=
METAR KSBN 171354Z 07007KT 10SM CLR M01/M09 A3019 RMK AO2
SLP233 T10111089=
SLP205 T00221078=
METAR KSBN 172154Z 11011KT 10SM CLR 03/M07 A3011 RMK AO2
SLP204 T00281072=
METAR KSBN 172054Z 11012KT 10SM CLR 03/M08 A3013 RMK AO2
SLP210 T00281083 58022=
METAR KSBN 171954Z 12010G15KT 10SM FEW037 02/M08 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP216 T00221078=
METAR KSBN 171854Z 10007KT 10SM SCT035 01/M08 A3018 RMK AO2 SLP228 T00111078=
METAR KSBN 171754Z 11009KT 10SM BKN031 01/M08 A3019 RMK AO2 SLP234 T00061078 10011 21017 58001=
METAR KSBN 171654Z 07007KT 10SM OVC031 01/M07 A3020 RMK AO2. SLP236 T00061072=
METAR KSBN 171554Z 07009KT 10SM OVC031 00/M08 A3020 RMK AO2 SLP237 T00001078=
METAR KSBN 171454Z 10009KT 10SM SCT031 M01/M08 A3020 RMK
AO2 SLP235 T10061083 51011=
METAR KSBN 171354Z 07007KT 10SM CLR M01/M09 A3019 RMK AO2
SLP233 T10111089=
03-20-2013 | 03:18 PM
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03-20-2013 | 03:39 PM
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Somebody in the tower should know, if he did indeed go missed approach 3 times. The weather looked fine, so what would cause someone to get it wrong 3 times? How much time did the pilot have in type?
Anyone remember the baseball player flying his Citation, and landing short, about 20 years ago, was it Thurman Munson?
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03-20-2013 | 04:36 PM
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I have no clue if this was the case of if even possible but could it have been a flap issue? Maybe the flaps were stuck up so he was trying to slow down as much as he could but kept using to much runway and on the third try he banked to far and pitched to high at to slow an airspeed for not having any flaps?
03-20-2013 | 04:44 PM
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Well, the first "hole in the Swiss cheese" in Munson's crash was forgetting the flaps, so possible. The Georgia accident began in an aborted landing; the French accident was on take-off. Statistically, landing accidents are pilot-induced; take-off accidents more likely to begin with a mechanical problem. But all accidents are a chain of causes, the failure to stop the chain causes the accident OR a mechanical so dire that no pilot action could have saved th day.
Too many sadly lost friends to believe accidents are caused by factors utterly beyond the pilot's ability to solve.
The report will, no doubt, be instructive. They always are and usually not what the early assumptions were.
GF
Too many sadly lost friends to believe accidents are caused by factors utterly beyond the pilot's ability to solve.
The report will, no doubt, be instructive. They always are and usually not what the early assumptions were.
GF
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