Asiana 777 Crash at SFO
07-23-2013, 10:50 AM
#601
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Originally Posted by savall
Who here actually likes the idea of HUD's..? Just curious... Never used one, can't comment aside from perception, but I don't know how much I like the idea of them. I honestly think it would distract me PERSONALLY...
In fact, going into OAK this past Saturday afternoon, my FO and I were in mock panic - I had both my auto-throttles AND HUD MEL'd inoperative. 
And somehow, I was able to land a pretty normal visual approach to RW29 without dragging my rear on the seawall at the approach end. 
Our HUDs also display AOA, which is a pretty nice cross reference to have for all configurations no matter where you have the airspeed bugged.
07-23-2013, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
We've been using a HUD for a few years now at my company and like anything, it takes a little getting used to. Once you learn the new scan and get used to looking "through" the display, it's pretty nice. I totally understand the idea of becoming a HUD cripple, but its not really that debilitating. In fact, going into OAK this past Saturday afternoon, my FO and I were in mock panic - I had both my auto-throttles AND HUD MEL'd inoperative. And somehow, I was able to land a pretty normal visual approach to RW29 without dragging my rear on the seawall at the approach end. Our HUDs also display AOA, which is a pretty nice cross reference to have for all configurations no matter where you have the airspeed bugged.
In fact, going into OAK this past Saturday afternoon, my FO and I were in mock panic - I had both my auto-throttles AND HUD MEL'd inoperative. And somehow, I was able to land a pretty normal visual approach to RW29 without dragging my rear on the seawall at the approach end. Our HUDs also display AOA, which is a pretty nice cross reference to have for all configurations no matter where you have the airspeed bugged.As far as a HUD now - I also agree that they can end up putting to much information on a HUD.
07-23-2013, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by savall
Who here actually likes the idea of HUD's..? Just curious... Never used one, can't comment aside from perception, but I don't know how much I like the idea of them. I honestly think it would distract me PERSONALLY...
As far as AOA- that should be required on all PFDs.
07-23-2013, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
They are by far the easiest and most accurate way to fly an airplane. The level of precision you can achieve with little effort is incredible.
As far as AOA- that should be required on all PFDs.
As far as AOA- that should be required on all PFDs.
07-23-2013, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Somehow implying an AOA gauge would have prevented this? It's all speculation, but if they didn't catch the speed what's the chances they'll glance at an AOA gauge.
07-23-2013, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Two people above saying it should be required in all cockpits, in a thread about the Asiana 777 crash.
The AOA display is critical for stall awareness and protection, but wouldn't have played a factor in this crash. I found it very useful and a nice added situational awareness tool.
07-24-2013, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Two people above saying it should be required in all cockpits, in a thread about the Asiana 777 crash.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Wrong. The discussion turned to HGS and those typically include AOA.
The AOA display is critical for stall awareness and protection, but wouldn't have played a factor in this crash. I found it very useful and a nice added situational awareness tool.
The AOA display is critical for stall awareness and protection, but wouldn't have played a factor in this crash. I found it very useful and a nice added situational awareness tool.
Yes - because as most threads do, and certainly after 61 pages, threads never change direction in the discussion (especially without any new information being provided).
07-24-2013, 05:43 AM
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I think there should be an aural warning if your speed goes 10??? knots below target speed....aural and not just a visual warning.....maybe an aural Caution if you go 15??? kts below target speed also...
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