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Old 07-12-2013 | 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by savall
What makes Buffalo a less major crash ? Obviously it was a smaller airplane, but the loss of life and facts which came out regarding the US aviation industry were MAJOR. Not nitpicking, just wanted to understand the context or if you were simply stating that aside from that their weren't any major crashes...
Major, as opposed to regional, operator. No crash in USA of a domestic major airline since 2001. Quite clearly some of the larger RJ's have a lot of people, but it is not a widebody.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I don't know if that's true. Look at the Colgan crash:

12Feb2009: Colgan 3407 crashes

14Feb2009: NTSB: Crew reported ice buildup before crash"

14Feb2009: NTSB: Plane didn't dive, landed flat on house

15Feb2009: NTSB: Colgan 3407 pitched up despite anti-stall push

15Feb2009: "Too early to tell if icing caused crash, NTSB says".
IIRC she headed the that investigation team?
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Old 07-12-2013 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SurfNsun
Deb is fantastic at what she does. You need to get over the fact that smart successful attractive women exist. You're just as bad as the women who would love to hate her too. Get a clue and deal with it.
Agree, but haven't heard of any women who would "love to hate her." I think she's doing a great job and love the fact she's not one of those successful women in a man's world who feel looking feminine and wearing makeup somehow diminishes their intellect or "power." You go girl!
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Old 07-12-2013 | 05:33 AM
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Should have seen this coming.

Someone reads an article from a newspaper, agrees with its slant, and inserts their opinions along with it to justify their biased thoughts against a person, etc.

Yep. One newspaper article makes you an expert on a person or subject and you have convinced yourself you were right all along.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
NO other NTSB chairman/woman has done what she is doing on a daily basis after a crash. No one. That deserves a look into her.
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I don't know if that's true. Look at the Colgan crash:

12Feb2009: Colgan 3407 crashes

14Feb2009: NTSB: Crew reported ice buildup before crash"

14Feb2009: NTSB: Plane didn't dive, landed flat on house

15Feb2009: NTSB: Colgan 3407 pitched up despite anti-stall push

15Feb2009: "Too early to tell if icing caused crash, NTSB says".

Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
Uh, technically, same Chairman of the NTSB for that accident!
Originally Posted by cardiomd
Wasn't Hersman chair back then, or was it right after that incident she was made chair? Either way I think she was involved with 3407 investigation IIRC.
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IIRC she headed the that investigation team?
The crash was in February 2009 and the NTSB released their initial statements within 2 days. She assumed office in July of 2009.

Her confirmation hearing was July 8, 2009:
- NOMINATIONS TO NASA, THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD, THE FEDERAL MARITIME COMMISSION, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

So was she the chairman of the NTSB when those initial NTSB facts were released?

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Old 07-12-2013 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Girls have a VASI, and boys have a PAPI.

Does that help?
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Old 07-12-2013 | 08:52 AM
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I read her bio. It seems like she's always been a political appointee all her life, never really had a real job in the private sector.

She does hold some kind of bus license and has an airbrake license.
AN AIRBRAKE LICENSE!!!!!

Do you think she will throw those pilots under a bus?

BTW- what's with the bright light story? Sounds like a laser pointer.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 08:57 AM
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The naughty school tea...um...chairwoman


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Old 07-12-2013 | 09:27 AM
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Over the years the 24 hour news cycle has changed the way that accidents are addresses in the media.

The NTSB must also change the way they distribute information as a result, and not just to keep speculation to a minimum. There are funding factors, political ramifications, international relations issues, and the potential for leaks from inside the investigation.

ALPA might not like it, but they're better suited in the long run learning that its better to control the flow of information through strategic announcements rather than saying nothing and letting the media and average joe speculate uninformed. Speculation and false conclusions are bound to happen regardless of how much info is or is not released.

By getting out in front, Hersman comes across as a strong leader and the NTSB seems like they have full control of the situation and are producing result. Both are important from a public standpoint and an agency funding standpoint, regardless of the chairwoman's personal motivations.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
...there is the stick shaker... It's aural and tactile.
Excuse me, Captain? Women have enough difficulty in aviation without calling them "stick shakers"... I am VERY offended. I am not even going to talk about your comments about "aural" or getting a "tactile response". The misogyny on these boards is frightening. Truly appalling.



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