SWA LGA Gear Up Landing
07-23-2013, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilsch
Anyone hear of any reports of LG indication issues?
I cannot imagine if there was no request for equipment.
I cannot imagine if there was no request for equipment.
07-23-2013, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
07-23-2013, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I was commenting on what you can observe in the original video. Based on what I observed and my real world experience flying the 737, unless they were well above approach speed and trying to correct, where the power was pulled was quite earlier than usual.
I was merely making the observation, not pointing fingers or concluding anything from it.
I was merely making the observation, not pointing fingers or concluding anything from it.
07-23-2013, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
Actually you were concluding: "They pulled power to idle while still over the expressway... that's pretty dang early for a full 737." You have no basis in fact to make such a statement. That is not a speculation or supposition, that is statement of fact. Unless you had real time telemetry directly from the FDR on board, you can't support that statement. You said you surmised it from watching a video. Were you counting the fan revolutions? Was it a real time video inside the cockpit where you saw the thrust levers at idle power? It is way too early to know with ANY certainty exactly what happened and you certainly can't make that kind of definitive statement from watching a video.
07-23-2013, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
They pulled power to idle while still over the expressway... that's pretty dang early for a full 737.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The original video had much better audio. You and I both have been in a 737 enough times to know what it sounds like when the power is pulled.
07-23-2013, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
A normal ILS has a threshold crossing height in the neighborhood of 50 feet while on the glideslope. The expressway has to be another 500 feet from the threshold. I don't believe I have ever pulled the power to idle when crossing the threshold at 50 feet, much less 500 more feet out from the threshold. How often have you had the power at idle when hearing the 50 callout in a 737, much less at an even higher altitude than 50 feet? Can you understand why I have a problem with you speculating that the power was pulled to IDLE while still over the expressway? It is nothing but speculation and you have absolutely no basis in fact for that statement. You have already chalked this up to pilot error and we haven't even seen a preliminary report from the NTSB.
The nose gear did end up in the E&E compartment behind the wheel well, by the way.
07-23-2013, 06:33 PM
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If you guys had seen the Facebook video, you wouldn't have thought it an uneventful landing... Looked like a stabilized approach, then HARD landing, with no flare at all.
Sink rate looks high plus no flare. Hope it was mechanical...
07-23-2013, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Perhaps we should be disallowed from commenting on it.
07-23-2013, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
Comment all you like, but refrain from making what are tantamount to statements of fact before any REAL determinations have been made by the government agencies we all look to to give us the relevant facts about what actually happened after examining all data. This statement: "They pulled power to idle while still over the expressway... that's pretty dang early for a full 737." is not in any way shape or form a speculation, that is an unsubstantiated statement of fact.
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