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Some retired general was on Huckabee last night and was saying he was fairly sure that we know where it is and that it's not in the Indian Ocean. He said that if we wanted to find it down there then why weren't we using the Global Hawk drone with it's synthetic aperture radar and long loiter times to find it. He also took a question from the peanut gallery about the low resolution photos of debris. He alluded to the question of whether we have the capability to read licensee plates from space and made it seem obvious that theses photos were BS.
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Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 1609335)
Some retired general was on Huckabee last night and was saying he was fairly sure that we know where it is and that it's not in the Indian Ocean. He said that if we wanted to find it down there then why weren't we using the Global Hawk drone with it's synthetic aperture radar and long loiter times to find it. He also took a question from the peanut gallery about the low resolution photos of debris. He alluded to the question of whether we have the capability to read licensee plates from space and made it seem obvious that theses photos were BS.
The super high res spy satellites are not geosynchronous orbit over the middle of the Indian Ocean, but regular orbits that take them over areas of high interest like NK, Russia, ME, etc, not the IO |
The Washington Post reports in one of its stories re the timeline that at 1:07 local the last ACARS message was received and that according to U.S. officials it denoted that a change of course was programmed into the FMS. This was later refuted by the Malaysian government…whom are we to believe. Sometime shortly after that 1:07 xmision the data stream to ACARS was terminated…there was no 1:37 data stream. At 1:19 ATC receives the “Alright, Goodnight” voice xmision.
Question…IF the ACARS data packet does include the FMS flight plan program, could a change have been entered and detected without it having been executed? This would mean that it could have been entered anytime after the 12:40 takeoff. We are being told that the course did not change until after the xponder shut down after the 1:19 contact. I’m sorry if I am not expressing myself as clearly as possible, but I am curious to understand the sequence of events early on in the flight. Thanks. |
We have automatic position reporting, which gives a standard position report; time over fix, altitude, fuel, winds, next fix, etc. and we can upload a Route 1 and Route 2 and performance data from our ops, but I don't think the ACARS reports our entire route, start to finish, to ATC or anyone else, just the next two points with every automatic position report. Otherwise why would ATC constantly be asking us to verify our routing? (happens a lot in the middle east and on every coast in)
From what I've been hearing in the press, Malaysian didn't buy the more expensive ACARS package, which gives more data, or the Sat Com. |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1609375)
Not so fast. What is range and loiter time of GH, and even if practical is limited asset required for higher priority tasking?
The super high res spy satellites are not geosynchronous orbit over the middle of the Indian Ocean, but regular orbits that take them over areas of high interest like NK, Russia, ME, etc, not the IO |
Well there is AD 2012-13-05 calling for the replacement of the oxygen hoses in the cockpit. This was brought about by a ground fire on a foreign carrier that burned a hole in the side of the fuselage on the right side. Seems a metal spring in the hose chaffed and made an electrical arc. The AD was issued on August 16, 2012 and gives the US operators 18 months to comply. The mandatory comply by date would be at the end of February 2014.
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If you have been watching CNN or any of the other networks you may have noticed I am one of the commenters, I have been in NYC the last two days just to be in studio. The firm I am with does this kind of work for two reasons; 1) It gets out more accurate information than most of the pundits and 2) It helps us generate business by being the guys who are seen as credible in this business.
Take everything you hear from the media with a grain of salt and consider for yourself if what you are hearing passes the smell test. I try not to let the hosts bait me into making inaccurate comments, but sometimes we all do. |
Am I missing something? How can the Malaysians proclaim the plane crashed in the Indian Ocean and all are dead without any physical proof? This whole tragedy has smelled to high heaven since Day 1. Those poor families........ :(
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Originally Posted by LNL76
(Post 1609529)
Am I missing something? How can the Malaysians proclaim the plane crashed in the Indian Ocean and all are dead without any physical proof? This whole tragedy has smelled to high heaven since Day 1. Those poor families........ :(
They said the basis was british satelite data and that they can't start searching again until Wednesday due to weather. My guess is that they needed to bring some kind of closure. It's been how many days and many of the families are being shuffled around hotels while waiting for news when they don't know if any is going to come. The families need to hear it, and be allowed to move on. |
Just in case anyone is interested in how Inmarsat came to their conclusion ...
Thanks to data from a satellite communications provider, we now have a clear picture of Malaysian Airlines flight 370’s tragic final destination, plus or minus 100 miles. Unfortunately, that position is at the bottom of the Southern Indian Ocean. Using a scientific model based on the Doppler shift in signals from MH377 (another Malaysian Airlines' flight) and other aircraft following similar routes, engineers at Inmarsat were able to narrow the area of search for the missing aircraft to an area in the Indian ocean west of Perth, Australia. The Inmarsat satellite that picked up the “pings” from the aircraft, Inmarsat-3 F1, was launched in 1996. It has no positioning system capabilities aboard, but it has a geostationary orbit at 64.5 degrees east longitude. Based on its relatively fixed position, engineers were able to narrow the location of the plane down with an initial analysis of the Doppler effect on the signal from the flight’s pings and the plane’s approximate altitude. That early analysis showed that the plane had to be within two possible arcs: one to the north, which would have taken it over land, and one to the south over the ocean. After that information was provided to Malaysian officials on March 12, Inmarsat engineers continued to perform analysis of the data by creating models for how the signal would have been shifted by the Doppler effect over the northern and southern paths. To build that model, the engineers used data from the signals of other aircraft with similar routes. The company then compared the model to the data from MH370 and found an “extraordinary matching” of the plane’s signals to the expected models for the southern path, according to Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat, speaking with the Telegraph. Based on the data from the MH370's last pings, Australian and US National Transportation Safety Board investigators were able to narrow the search area down to three percent of the “southern corridor” the aircraft might have followed. "All we believe we can do is to say that we believe it is in this general location,” McLaughlin said. ”But we cannot give you the final few feet and inches where it landed. It's not that sort of system." |
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