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Sink r8 03-19-2014 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by penguin22 (Post 1605525)
I've always kept any unofficial waypoints out of Legs 1 just for that reason. I've been told that they can actually see what we have in RTE 2 also

Speaking of RTE 2, it makes you wonder what a normal Malaysian pilots might stick in there, and what an instructor with almost 20,000 hours might stick in there if he flew the route all the time, as a sort of graduate-level approach.

Captain Bligh 03-19-2014 04:04 AM

So last night a non pilot buddy of mine sends this news clip that fixes the time of route change prior to the infamous ATC hand off and "alright goodnight"... I hadn't seen it. Should one assume that there could be no errors in GMT synchronizations, or do we need to see historical audit proof?

Flight 370 had already turned before 'good night' message | On Air Videos | Fox News

HouseOfPAE 03-19-2014 05:50 AM

Former TSA Director Phil Magaw on CNN just now saying cameras are needed in the cockpit because "more visibility is needed" into what pilots are doing and "how many times have they fallen asleep and overflown the airport."

Seriously?!?!? Falling asleep is clearly at epidemic levels. This coming from the director of an agency of incompetents. How many times has a terminal needed to be cleared and everyone re-screened because the TSA officer has fallen asleep and someone walked through the exit???

F4E Mx 03-19-2014 06:05 AM

The Thai radar supposedly indicates gentle left turn of a primary radar target near the point where the Malaysian radar shows a sharp left turn of a primary target?

chi05 03-19-2014 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by HouseOfPAE (Post 1605604)
Former TSA Director Phil Magaw on CNN just now saying cameras are needed in the cockpit because "more visibility is needed" into what pilots are doing and "how many times have they fallen asleep and overflown the airport."

Seriously?!?!? Falling asleep is clearly at epidemic levels. This coming from the director of an agency of incompetents. How many times has a terminal needed to be cleared and everyone re-screened because the TSA officer has fallen asleep and someone walked through the exit???

Yep, it's definitely those pilots causing all the trouble with air travel.

Government report: TSA employee misconduct up 26% in 3 years - CNN.com

RhinoPherret 03-19-2014 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by HouseOfPAE (Post 1605604)
Former TSA Director Phil Magaw on CNN just now saying cameras are needed in the cockpit because "more visibility is needed" into what pilots are doing and "how many times have they fallen asleep and overflown the airport."

Seriously?!?!? Falling asleep is clearly at epidemic levels. This coming from the director of an agency of incompetents. How many times has a terminal needed to be cleared and everyone re-screened because the TSA officer has fallen asleep and someone walked through the exit???

Yep. I can see it now. Feds mandate GoPros on every flight deck with auto upload to YouTube. That will surely solve any future dilemmas of this nature. :rolleyes:

A possible grand idea hatched from a hoot that was forced to resign suddenly becuase he was so inept and despised by just about everyone but possibly Vlad Putin.

Fly4hire 03-19-2014 06:31 AM

Questions I have not seen addressed (at least publicly):

1) Was Capt's flight sim data simply deleted
or wiped to defeat forensic recovery?

2) Any background on either crew members religious (and/or fundamentalist) leanings? Malaysia is predominately Muslim. Just saying....

3) Was crew randomly assigned or did they buddy bid or otherwise ask to fly together?

rickair7777 03-19-2014 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1605626)
Questions I have not seen addressed (at least publicly):

1) Was Capt's flight sim data simply deleted
or wiped to defeat forensic recovery?

Unless the HDDs were melted down, government agencies can probably recover the data if they want it bad enough. Typical commercial disc-cleaning apps are proof against hackers/criminals, not large intelligence agencies.


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1605626)
2) Any background on either crew members religious (and/or fundamentalist) leanings? Malaysia is predominately Muslim. Just saying....

Nothing obvious, neither appeared devout as far as I've heard. The CA was political (opposition party) but that looks just political, not revolutionary (again as far as I've read into it).


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1605626)
3) Was crew randomly assigned or did they buddy bid or otherwise ask to fly together?

Verified random, not buddy bid.

abelenky 03-19-2014 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1605634)
Unless the HDDs were melted down, government agencies can probably recover the data if they want it bad enough. Typical commercial disc-cleaning apps are proof against hackers/criminals, not large intelligence agencies.

On this point, I disagree. Once data has been overwritten once, it becomes very difficult to recover; essentially you'd just be looking for a weak "shadow" signal of the previous magnetic bit.

Once data has been overwritten 4 or more times, it is absolutely impossible to figure out what was there before. And most off-the-shelf data wiping tools will do multiple overwrites.

If there is any source/evidence that a government agency can recover data that has been specifically wiped, I'm willing to listen. But short of that evidence, the idea goes against everything i know about hardware, software, and physics.

evamodel00 03-19-2014 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by abelenky (Post 1605651)
On this point, I disagree. Once data has been overwritten once, it becomes very difficult to recover; essentially you'd just be looking for a weak "shadow" signal of the previous magnetic bit.

Once data has been overwritten 4 or more times, it is absolutely impossible to figure out what was there before. And most off-the-shelf data wiping tools will do multiple overwrites.

If there is any source/evidence that a government agency can recover data that has been specifically wiped, I'm willing to listen. But short of that evidence, the idea goes against everything i know about hardware, software, and physics.

They can't find a freaking jumbo jet in this day and age with all this technology, i don't have much hope for it.


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