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Originally Posted by JimFromAustin
(Post 1605391)
Looks like we are getting conflicting info, jungle seems to think it is speculation, and there is no way of knowing for certain. (see above) I also just asked an FMS design buddy of mine about this and he is not aware of this sort of ACARS messaging. Said he would to check on it. Speaking of reporters, just now a guy on the news that was being interviewed essentially said it was bunk that we know for certain the FMS was reprogrammed. Newscaster shut him down fast, (was ruining his whole news drama)
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1605517)
Nope. It's a non-zero probability, but is virtually zero. All the fire speculation is driving me nuts... we try to get the plane on the ground within 15 minutes with a fire, and it would be even less likely for it to happen exactly at an FIR crossing. This thing kept on going for another 6 hours. There is virtually no logical way that happened with a fire.
That has been my thought re any fire theories...possible, not plausible. |
Originally Posted by penguin22
(Post 1605525)
FMC route data can get sent to ATC through a mode S transponder.
Those pprune folks talk about it here ADS and CPDLC - PPRuNe Forums I've always kept any unofficial waypoints out of Legs 1 just for that reason. I've been told that they can actually see what we have in RTE 2 also At my previous company, we used to use RTE2 to put in ETPs and ETOPS pts. So, I am pretty sure those cannot be seen. |
Originally Posted by Dougdrvr
(Post 1605836)
So what did your buddy say??????????
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Do the waypoints allegedly overflown correspond with any of the arrivals into Kuala Lumpur or its alternates? My Jepp coverage doesn't have it .
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1605634)
Unless the HDDs were melted down, government agencies can probably recover the data if they want it bad enough. Typical commercial disc-cleaning apps are proof against hackers/criminals, not large intelligence agencies.
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
(Post 1605411)
Does anyone screen new APC account applicants for credentials? For crying out loud! Some of these people are asking questions a private pilot should know. Clearly the AIM is a document that can be researched online. It's fine to lurk as a non-pilot, but the 3 page posts of nothing but elementary questions about SAR and other established procedures contribute nothing to the discussion.
Mods can anything be done here? And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example). I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world. |
Originally Posted by Claybird
(Post 1606037)
Unfortunately, that's not the (main) problem. The issue here (in this incident) is that there's other forums (not so much this one, thankfully) where people trying to impress reveal information about the aircraft, how to 'turn this off' or how to 'disengage that' etc etc, thereby inadvertently and foolishly making things easier for the bad guys.
And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example). I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world. |
Originally Posted by Claybird
(Post 1606037)
Unfortunately, that's not the (main) problem. The issue here (in this incident) is that there's other forums (not so much this one, thankfully) where people trying to impress reveal information about the aircraft, how to 'turn this off' or how to 'disengage that' etc etc, thereby inadvertently and foolishly making things easier for the bad guys.
And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example). I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world. |
This business of the waypoints being programmed into the FMS prior to the last ATC call is unofficial. It's a leak to the media from some unknown source, so I would discount it until it is confirmed. So many of these leaks have turned out to be a crock.
The media are like an echo chamber, repeating the same speculation over and over until they start to hear their own speculation reported by other media outlets, then they take it as fact. I was watching Captain Les Abend on CNN earlier. He was quite measured and sensible in his comments. Definitely one of the better commentators. |
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