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#1861

PhenomDriver620 , 08-26-2015 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleJim

The indoc for new pilots is a disaster. I fly the majority of my trips with guys and gals who recently went through the program. Perhaps you should hear what some of them have to say before you claim that the company is blameless.

Perhaps you should share this kind of stuff with people who could fix it??
They can't fix things when they don't have specifics..
Maybe you should share your findings--- just sayin?
Back to my layover..meh

#1862

RI830 , 08-26-2015 05:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bjtdrvr

So you must have a problem then with all of the different airline unions as well? Because that is what a seniority system does. It is unfortunate but you cant have management just making up the rules to suite themselves. Later on the union offered a loa to allow pilots to come down and still retain their pay however that created a situation where there were now junior pilots making more than a couple of captains... the loa just stated that they could move down and keep their pay but the other more senior captains would then get a bump in pay to the same level BUT management was not interested in that!!!!! In fact is was only like two pilots and only for a few months until their pay scale caught up!!! It was management that refused to accept the loa!!! if memory serves me I think that those Hawker pilots could have been offered bumping rights and they could have displaced some beechjet and some phenom captains they then would have also retained their pay. Again management did not want to follow the contract because that would have forced several training events and they did not want to pay for them. Management was trying to work outside the contract and it seems then that the union was the bad guy but that was not the case as there was a perfectly valid way for those guys to retain their pay.

I won't even get started on my despise for the unions. Commercial, Fractional, Steel Workers, Transport, etc. They are all way past there times and aren't needed to the level they seek. The pilots are stuck between a battle of selfish wills. Management vs Unions

No contract has ever been negotiated without the short lange and long range benefits for the union.

#1863

RI830 , 08-26-2015 05:28 PM

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JungleJim,

Still curious to how long you have been with EAS. It gives a base line on what timeframe you have dealt with the management team there and also whom you have dealt with.

#1864

NoSidNoStar , 08-27-2015 05:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RI830

I won't even get started on my despise for the unions. ..............Commercial, Fractional, Steel Workers, Transport, etc. .......

Ah, you despise unions, that does not surprise me at all.

Hmmm, back in the Marriott thread you seamed to think the fractional was commercial. Something has conveniently changed.

#1865

RI830 , 08-27-2015 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar

Ah, you despise unions, that does not surprise me at all.

Hmmm, back in the Marriott thread you seamed to think the fractional was commercial. Something has conveniently changed.

Nothing has changed. What does my comments about Marriott/Commercial have to do with unions?
Do you think only "commercial" pilots have unions?
Keep trolling.

#1866

runsky42 , 08-27-2015 05:53 AM

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I believe changes are coming, and a union is not the answer here! IMO I believe are ACP, CP and DO are working on ways to make it better. They have to, when we have guys leaving to go fly turbo props from a jet PIC position.

#1867

NoSidNoStar , 08-27-2015 05:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RI830

Nothing has changed. What does my comments about Marriott/Commercial have to do with unions?
Do you think only "commercial" pilots have unions?
Keep trolling.

Of course not, even if it is not thanks to pilots like you.
The other comment was about the fact you believed fractional was the same as "commercial", as you could not see the difference at all, nothing to do with unions, yet now you made a clear distinction.
I guess you are not keen enough to follow up your own opinions.
And that does not surprise me neither.
P.S. You might not realize this, but the guy fly banner towing is a "commercial" pilot too. Just so you know.

#1868

RI830 , 08-27-2015 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar

Not gonna entertain your inner child.
The hiatus from your "comments" had been nice.
Back to the ignore list you go.

#1869

NoSidNoStar , 08-27-2015 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RI830

Not gonna entertain your inner child.
The hiatus from your "comments" had been nice.
Back to the ignore list you go.

Once again proven wrong, you change subject and run away.
Stay classy.

#1870

T45Heinous , 08-27-2015 02:31 PM

Gettin paid to fly

Take ur squabbling to private message...stop polluting this thread please