Secondary vacancies are filled completely at the whim of the Company, no CBA control at all. The quick answer to your question is NO, regarding the amount of secondaries filled on the practice bid.

When the real bid occurs and the 30 plus SFS guys don't bid HKG (for example) and bid into other domiciles they will need LESS secondaries in those seats. If they leave holes in the FDA's they will just have to hire. The real unknown is what the SFS guys do, regarding secondaries.

The Company uses these secondary awards to balance the seats as needed based on moves into primary vacancies. Confused yet

Where's the 68% that thought this was a good deal?!? C'mon guys, get on over there and support your actions!

11 HKG FOs! Ha, this is perfect. CDG goes unfilled in the right seat! Even better.

Get ready for the STV nightmare. And remember, when you're sitting in HKG missing your kid's birthday, you asked for it.

My guess is they are most likely the some of the initial Instructor "Cadre" that is pay protected!

21 SFS guys going left seat HKG. Hmmm.

I thought only a 'handful' were doing it.

Gotta love practive bids.

So much for all of the chest pounding Let's see if it sticks. I think it will. I still may bid HKG and commute from CDG.
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Exactly, pretty pathetic if true after all the banter. And where are all the senior guys who the union swore were going to bid it? Hate being right about not being able to fill the right seat but, "I told you so."

How are guys who downbid "pay protected" ? I do not see anything in the CBA that allows them to pay these guys widebody pay to fly a narrowbody, in fact the current training MGT team specifically has a goal to NOT pay any passover the 727 Captains. Do you have any info that this is in fact true ? If so I think the Union should publicize any pay deals that are outside the CBA.

I talked to a 727 Capt LCA currently getting widebody passover the other night. He told me that he's been told that the B727 CAP LCAs that go to the B757 in MEM will be passover protected for 2.5 yrs, at which time if they decide to stay on the B757 they will revert to B757 pay. He also said the plan is that LCAs would DH over to Europe and do LCs for 2 wks then DH back. Looks more like SIBA than STV, as we've been told the intent was, if you ask me!

I noticed the SFS MEC rep who voted agaisnt it BID it too............
But it is just a practice Bid. They all might not bid it for real so lets wait and see before you jump all over them.

I don't have any hard evidence, just rumor mill on how they "Hand Picked" the initial cadre of instructors.

I just "heard" that the Instructors would be Wide body pay protected, if they came to the 757 as an instructor or LCA.

I'm with you, it doesn't sound kosher, but it doesn't surprise me.