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Softpayman , 03-10-2022 03:57 PM
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There won't be any offer from the arbitrator! People need to understand that this is not Section 6 negotiations, there is no going back and getting more. If the arbitrator rules, he cannot make the NEA go away, he cannot award us more money, profit sharing, etc. He will issue a remedy, which my guess would be a cease and desist from violating 1F8, which would probably require JB to coordinate with AA and adjust flight schedules. You guys need to read the entire TA! All the contractual gains aside, the collars and protections around 1F7 and 1F8 are a lot tighter now compared to LOA 13, which was a complete mess and I voted no. There are now monetary penalties for not meeting growth, I don't see anything about Caribbean flying anymore like LOA 13. The renewal/termination language looks to be cleaned up.
The arbitrator’s message does shed some light on the situation. It’s worth a read, it’s hyperlinked in the Email sent by the union today.
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Oh, I'm sure they will absolutely do the base min. to meet the metrics, but as long as they meet the metrics, we keep growing, which to me means job protection. As far as renewing the NEA, look at the TA language now. If they don't meet the growth metrics, the NEA is done in 2025, unless the union gives them consent (sounds like an opportunity for us!).
Yeah. Just like our no vote meant they couldn’t do focus city to focus city and international. They’ll do it anyway. We’ll get more crumbs in another POS LOA after we file a grievance. Sorry, I have principles. And a spine. I’ll get that 3% (and then some) in section 6 and they can shove the LOA up their ass. NO
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Oh, I'm sure they will absolutely do the base min. to meet the metrics, but as long as they meet the metrics, we keep growing, which to me means job protection. As far as renewing the NEA, look at the TA language now. If they don't meet the growth metrics, the NEA is done in 2025, unless the union gives them consent (sounds like an opportunity for us!).
“Growth metrics” that are literally impossible not to meet. One international flight, one domestic, and one pilot a year? How much growth could JetBlue have accomplished on its own without American? I suspect more than that.
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LOA 13 said that the NEA automatically renews in 5 years unless the metrics ARE NOT met. Even if they are not met, ALPA still needs to convince the company to exit the NEA. Absolutely toothless and unenforceable.

LOA 17 says that the NEA automatically terminates in 5 years unless the matrices ARE met. If they are not met, ALPA has to consent to allow the NEA to continue. (AIP B.3). It has much more tooth, but probably still unenforceable.
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“Growth metrics” that are literally impossible not to meet. One international flight, one domestic, and one pilot a year? How much growth could JetBlue have accomplished on its own without American? I suspect more than that.
Exactly! People don’t realize the company was still a company before the NEA. God knows if it wasn’t for the NEA we would have never grown. Thank god for AA and our honest company for blessing us with this deal.
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LOA 13 said that the NEA automatically renews in 5 years unless the metrics ARE NOT met. Even if they are not met, ALPA still needs to convince the company to exit the NEA. Absolutely toothless and unenforceable.

LOA 17 says that the NEA automatically terminates in 5 years unless the matrices ARE met. If they are not met, ALPA has to consent to allow the NEA to continue. (AIP B.3). It has much more tooth, but probably still unenforceable.
We still believe the same Union that gave us the last few turds won’t give their full consent for an extension? Come on now. They’d probably trip over themselves to run and sign the extension away. The company doesn’t need to remove teeth when our MEC never bites.
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LOA 13 said that the NEA automatically renews in 5 years unless the metrics ARE NOT met. Even if they are not met, ALPA still needs to convince the company to exit the NEA. Absolutely toothless and unenforceable.

LOA 17 says that the NEA automatically terminates in 5 years unless the matrices ARE met. If they are not met, ALPA has to consent to allow the NEA to continue. (AIP B.3). It has much more tooth, but probably still unenforceable.
The company needed our permission to do the full NEA per our “legally binding CBA.” Ditto for LOA13. See how well that worked out? Yeah. They’ll do what they want later and drag it out in arbitration and then federal court if need be. Meanwhile, we will fight over the scraps.
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Yeah. Just like our no vote meant they couldn’t do focus city to focus city and international. They’ll do it anyway. We’ll get more crumbs in another POS LOA after we file a grievance. Sorry, I have principles. And a spine. I’ll get that 3% (and then some) in section 6 and they can shove the LOA up their ass. NO
I tend to agree with what you’re saying here, but why don’t our reps (191)? What are we missing? This just feels demoralizing.
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On the bright side, this LOA is a great deal for the 300 new-hires just waiting for their Delta class dates.
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