I personally don’t agree with that view point . You def are in the minority in today’s world . Having commuted for the last 10 or so.

The whole non rev thing goes in seniority regardless of which work group you are in , pilot , FA , ground ops etc .


So by having a senior 87 hire ride the back and allowing the 2015 hire to sit in the Jumpseat , no seat was taken away from that ground ops fellow , him nor any other group besides the pilot group had access to that jump seat at any point.

The seats in the back of the airplane are the ONLY ones that other groups access too , so I don’t see it as you describe .

Respectfully don’t agree with your view point .

There was a EWR 777 $cab that would do that. Listed for SA ONLY, would wait till about 15-20 prior, THEN just take the JS. She’s retired now thank god.

I agree with your respectful disagreement of his view point.

If you’re reading this thread, and are giving up your PS seat to ride the JS to “help” you are creating an expectation and abrogating a negotiated benefit in the UPA and damaging the QOL of all of us.

I recently had this happen to me. Missed my commute because a PS0 was willing to take the JS in order to “help” the gate agent and screwed me out of my ride to work. The turn around on my PDR was minutes. The gate agent was getting a thrashing from ORD within 5 minutes of me filing (I was still there), and the offending pilot had prostan and the PDR guys calling him as soon as they blocked in.

Do not do this.

1000 percent agree on the positive space stuff . I have never seen this happen here so far .

Few times Last airline I’d be in the back non reveing home and gate agent would come down with another non rev etc and say oh can you take the jump seat so he/she can get on . Clearly right in front of everyone putting me on the spot lite . Have had this happen a Half dozen times . Completely unacceptable .

On the other hand , I have had the gate agent approach hour prior , “saying hey here is a mom / dad of such and such gate agent , they won’t get on unless you could maybe take the jumps seat . Any chance you could help ?” Totally dif approach and story . But not in front of a loaded airplane door ready to close.

And the pitfall being, you get "unseated" in the back, listed for JS. THEN, 15-20 whatever mins prior a senior guy comes up and wants to bump you from the seat.

Agreed. Fully. As far as the J/S goes nobody is breaking any rules or abrogating seniority. If we aren't going to help each other out who will?

Ive done this before with the agreement with the gate agent, that if anyone senior bumps me from the JS, I take back the seat in the back. Everyone is on the same page before any agreement is made.

This makes sense. Not sure I’ve ever seen it on a transcon but there’s still a way to handle it that I’ve seen a number of times: swap for the J/S with the junior guy after everyone is on board. A hassle for sure...but it works.

Right.

But now your subject to the whims of the agent's ability and patience.

If the agents get busy, "unseat" you, whatever, they can be less than willing to play ball later on.

I can stand in the forward galley for as long as it takes.