That’s not entirely true, all those spots from the August bid have already been filled, not sure what those extra 4 are for. There’s been a least 12 new FO’s in LGB in the last few months, that’s the definition of movement.

Adding pilots to the bottom of a list is NOT the definition of movement.

Believe it or not there have been upgrades in LGB as well as people taking upgrades on the east coast. Also, If your relative seniority increases in base then that’s movement in my book.

Your overall seniority increases. So what is it then? Is your definition of movement retirements? Both are good things.

No you don’t.

Are all y'all bad at math, or time, or something? Because upgrade for the 190 is right at 3 years, and Airbus upgrade is right behind that.

The seniority list is growing at 10% per year.

In what world does that not produce upward movement?

The BlueJet world.

Where the longer you are here the worse your QOL becomes.

For most ...

My point was more that a trickling of new FOs over the course of a year isn't exactly something to celebrate as movement. So instead of bottom reserve guy, you're now a little bit better reserve guy? (This was in response to LGB specifically).

Of course any additional pilots on the bottom end increases relative seniority, and is something to be happy about. However, when you compare it to say, AA or UA, who have not only heavy hiring, also heavy retirements, AND many fleet types in which people change all the time, THAT'S movement. To be the top 20% of the JB 320 list wil will likely take one's entire career, at AA it would take about 10 years.

But I digress, I was being facetious. Point is, there's a lot more movement then just adding 12 guys to the bottom of the list a year.

But you can go to the 190 and get top 20% a whole lot faster. At least we have two types about to be three. Unlike a southwest or Alaska (getting rid of their busses) where it is strictly one type only

United is hiring around 800 a year on a list of 12,800. That's movement of 6% per year.

JetBlue is hiring 400 per year on a list of 4,000. Easy math is 10%.

Delta didn't run a new hire class for 9 months about 2 years ago because they changed their pairing optimizer language and they ended up being fat on pilots.