That's just not true, nice try though.

Hate to break the news to you man, but while you were off grid for the past two months a pandemic happened. Lots of jobs lost, aviation industry decimated, etc.

Go to a middle east construction site in the summer to contemplate your misery. I don't get it either.

You're just trying to get these guys who are about to be on the street to help you get a contract. Sure Atlas has it's issues. Sure we're not getting a contract any time soon either. You're might be able to convince one guy to sacrifice himself for the Atlas contract but there's 100 more who are ready and willing to go. I know who you always look out for and it ain't anyone else.

Look there's better places than Atlas but the only ones better that are hiring now are UPS and FedEx. For the 747 it's 13 days off if you live in base 55k first year. 100k second year same number of days off. We're not getting a contract soon so I'm having to accept that I'm not getting any better any time soon. I wish we could strike and get a contract but we can't we're stuck with what we have. The man won but it's better than working at HD for 35k and being micromanged the entire time and also working 5 days a week.

I didn’t apply to Home Depot however I can argue I would have had much better mental health working there.

I did however apply to other airlines after I realized I had been consistently lied to, paid half of my peers, given zero schedule flexibility, and had lost all hope of improvement. It’s a really toxic and frankly dangerous environment that I wish upon no one. We shouted, stomped and yelled for two years that they were going crash one and I won’t be surprised when it happens again. And WHERE in the he** are the regulators and why are they not doing their job? A gross failure on behalf of Management and the FAA.

You won’t build much time, you certainly won’t get 1,000 TPIC anytime soon, and you will be gone a lot. it can be a real trap getting in to this underworld.

Does FedEx recruit a lot of pilots from Home Depot? Atlas and Southern have been different experiences for different people. I’m a lot happier after removing myself from the Union’s constant negativity on Facebook, WhatsApp etc. Also, FWIW, I worked my way through college at Home Depot, 4 years, so I have a little perspective on both. Your mental health at Atlas probably had a lot more to do with your attitude and choices than your job.

Hey Gloriousprofits, you know that you’d also help the “attrition” fight if you left, right? I don’t mean to another airline. By all means, if you’re that miserable here, please leave aviation entirely and go work anywhere else.

Guess what: we tried to leverage our position with attrition. We lost. Get over it. There are about to be 1,000 fellow aviators on the streets. If you try to convince any of them that coming to Atlas/Southern is a worse idea than finding a non-aviation job, then I don’t know how you can dare to call yourself a unionist. As professional aviators, we should always have each others’ back.

We have our issues. A lot of them. And we have fought a very long, hard battle. But there’s a new reality that we need to be comfortable with. We gambled the dice with Father Time and we lost.

I left a year ago. Just some pretty deep scars from all the lies. I wish you guys the very best and just trying to shed some light on my reality when I was there. For that matter I held the line as strong as anyone there. Absolutely nothing slid when I was there, so you are welcome for that and I really hope people don’t succumb to resignation but instead keep fighting the battle. I’ll sign off now.

oh and I have been furloughed twice so I can very much empathize.

We have serious safety and training issues which we have discussed ad-nauseam here. There is ample data for pilots to make educated decisions.

If people need work, this beats being unemployed.

You have valuable contributions, even if I don't agree substantially with what you said. Good decisions come from good data. Good data often emerges in debate.