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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
I have yet to hear of an airline where the union has any hand in curriculum or the training department aside from a few provisions for re-testing with a different examiner or possibly changing instructors. If you have an example of one please let me know.
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Originally Posted by viper548
I'm at mainline, we have a training committee but I'm not sure the union has much say in training. As far as the initial courses, they are very similar to skywest. We don't have the same sim block each day though. We typically start with a later session and get earlier each day. That cuts out hours of study time and creates circadian rhythm issues. Our union pushed for training on the 737 max, nope it's just a bulletin. I think SkyWest training was harder, but also better. Everyone there wants you to succeed, even K.A.
This isn’t something that is widely known. unless you are on the training committee or know someone on it. This is part of what the training committee does. Every contract is different but from what I have experience and heard of the typical contractual items are scheduling, like the sort you referring to (my regional had a provision that prevented them from scheduling you past 10pm when doing recurrent training unless you asked for it or it was re-training. But other provisions are being able to reschedule with another instructor or examiner, being able to have another person observe. Another is being able to schedule a practice sim in between your recurrent training schedule. Also verifying the time (pay) of any CBTs. But the biggest protections is having a training review board that consists of a training committee member. These provisions are as varied as contracts go and the working relationship your company tends to have with the union but they all have negotiated provisions and protections of some kind. Crack open your contract and read the training section. All of it is thanks to your negation committee since this section typically can go without.
To give you a specific example of an airline that has a say in training curriculum, here is the language from the xjt contract:
“The Company will establish written curricula for all training programs and study courses. Except for training programs or study courses that are required by the FAA to be implemented immediately, the Company will meet with the Training Standards Committee and receive its recommendations before implementing any new training program or study course.”
I would be surprised if this isn’t standard in many contracts.