Training issues at SKW
01-18-2019, 09:57 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by captive apple
I'll be that guy. The FAA signed and influenced the training program. So 80% is passing for the FAA. I doubt a 70 is passing at other air carriers.
01-18-2019, 10:53 AM
#112
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes, it's always been 80% at OO, not sure why anyone thinks it's not (unless they lowered the standard recently...).
01-18-2019, 10:57 AM
#113
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At the instructor meeting last fall they showed the yearly data. Inital Failure was under 2% the average over the last 5+ years. Extra sessiins were up. The average being 2 if you used extra sessions . Upgrade failure was slightly up from 2016/17. But trending down..
01-22-2019, 02:00 AM
#115
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Originally Posted by gojo
Maybe someone can chime in? But I’m not aware of any US airline that is lower than 80% Even Mesa and GoJet are 80%
01-23-2019, 09:12 AM
#116
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
I can tell you many didn't see it as you did through rose colored glasses. The latest change in the ground school curriculum is showing a resounding lack in systems knowledge. Not that it matters?
In a 175, that sometimes works. In a CRJ I'd imagine it's necessary to actually understand the operation of the system beyond the little system logic that exists.
FWIW, I did fly with a CA that didn't even know our MLW and was planning on landing 3,000 pounds overweight.
01-23-2019, 12:29 PM
#117
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For the ground school all of the systems are now self taught via CBT's. There are from what I've heard nearly 70 of them. From the few I've seen, in typical SKW fashion, they are pretty bad. This probably wouldn't be an issue if a person has been through a rather complex jet before but for the many that are coming from say a SKYHAWK, it would be rather difficult to fully comprehend. Many of the students are dividing them up to complete in groups, making it even worse. Don't really blame them.
This is from just the CRJ side of the house, don't know about the 175?
All of this will be disputed by SkyBuzzard121 as false, her word is final, direct all questions to the bird!
This is from just the CRJ side of the house, don't know about the 175?
All of this will be disputed by SkyBuzzard121 as false, her word is final, direct all questions to the bird!
01-23-2019, 01:22 PM
#118
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
For the ground school all of the systems are now self taught via CBT's. There are from what I've heard nearly 70 of them. From the few I've seen, in typical SKW fashion, they are pretty bad. This probably wouldn't be an issue if a person has been through a rather complex jet before but for the many that are coming from say a SKYHAWK, it would be rather difficult to fully comprehend. Many of the students are dividing them up to complete in groups, making it even worse. Don't really blame them.
This is from just the CRJ side of the house, don't know about the 175?
All of this will be disputed by SkyBuzzard121 as false, her word is final, direct all questions to the bird!
This is from just the CRJ side of the house, don't know about the 175?
All of this will be disputed by SkyBuzzard121 as false, her word is final, direct all questions to the bird!
Not much to dispute on your post, just a warning to anyone reading this forum wanting actual advice. If you want advice, get it from pretty much anyone beside check, he has got to be the most negative and bitter thing at this company. Even if something is great here, he will automatically tell you it sucks because apparently someone leaves steaming piles on the hood of his car daily. That and being an ALL MIGHTY 20+ year SkyWester, probably flies three or four days a month and doesn't really do much work at all.
Also I resent you assigning me the pronoun of "her", I don't identify as a him or her, a couple of years ago I decided to transition to identify as a 172 Skyhawk.
And no, I didn't come to OO out of a SKYHAWK, I came here from another CRJ operator, but I did spend a lot of time building hours in a Skyhawk prior to getting my ATP.
01-23-2019, 01:30 PM
#119
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
For the ground school all of the systems are now self taught via CBT's. There are from what I've heard nearly 70 of them. From the few I've seen, in typical SKW fashion, they are pretty bad. This probably wouldn't be an issue if a person has been through a rather complex jet before but for the many that are coming from say a SKYHAWK, it would be rather difficult to fully comprehend. Many of the students are dividing them up to complete in groups, making it even worse. Don't really blame them.
This is from just the CRJ side of the house, don't know about the 175?
All of this will be disputed by SkyBuzzard121 as false, her word is final, direct all questions to the bird!
This is from just the CRJ side of the house, don't know about the 175?
All of this will be disputed by SkyBuzzard121 as false, her word is final, direct all questions to the bird!
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