Nevjets

This isn’t something that is widely known. unless you are on the training committee or know someone on it. This is part of what the training committee does. Every contract is different but from what I have experience and heard of the typical contractual items are scheduling, like the sort you referring to (my regional had a provision that prevented them from scheduling you past 10pm when doing recurrent training unless you asked for it or it was re-training. But other provisions are being able to reschedule with another instructor or examiner, being able to have another person observe. Another is being able to schedule a practice sim in between your recurrent training schedule. Also verifying the time (pay) of any CBTs. But the biggest protections is having a training review board that consists of a training committee member. These provisions are as varied as contracts go and the working relationship your company tends to have with the union but they all have negotiated provisions and protections of some kind. Crack open your contract and read the training section. All of it is thanks to your negation committee since this section typically can go without.

To give you a specific example of an airline that has a say in training curriculum, here is the language from the xjt contract:

“The Company will establish written curricula for all training programs and study courses. Except for training programs or study courses that are required by the FAA to be implemented immediately, the Company will meet with the Training Standards Committee and receive its recommendations before implementing any new training program or study course.”

I would be surprised if this isn’t standard in many contracts.

JustSomePlt

What’s the language in the FedEx contract?

Nevjets

FEDEX

A. The Company and Association shall hold meetings semi-annually, or

more frequently if requested by the Company or MEC Chairman, to share

data, statistics, and information related to training standards.

1. Establishment of training requirements and performance standards

shall be specified in the appropriate Flight Operations Manual (FOM)

and AQP source documents or in the Training and Procedures section

of the applicable Company Flight Manual (CFM).

2. The Company shall meet with the ALPA Training Committee regarding

training requirements included in AQP source documents at times and

locations agreed upon by both parties.

3. When AQP source documents are revised, the Company shall provide

copies of the revised documents or a list of changes for the documents

to the MEC Training Committee and Representation Department at

least 2 weeks prior to submission to the FAA and at least 30 days prior

to the effective date of the document revisions, when feasible.

a. The Association’s Training Committee Chairman and the Man-

aging Director of Air Operations Training shall agree upon any

changes.

b. In the event that the parties fail to reach an agreement, the issue

will be submitted to the Vice President of Air Operations Training

for resolution. Provided the required notice has been given, if this

process is not completed before the projected date of implementa-

tion, the Company may implement the changes.


UNITED

The Company shall establish training policies and requirements. A Training Committee composed of representatives of the Company and representatives of the pilots shall be established. The Training Committee shall meet quarterly unless the parties agree to meet less frequently, or at any other time the parties mutually agree. It is the intent of the parties to this Agreement that this Training Committee shall provide the pilots with the opportunity to consult with and make recommendations to the Company on training policies or changes, training programs or changes, or any other matters affecting Pilot training. In the event that the Training Committee and the Company are unable to resolve issues of training, these issues shall be referred to the Managing Director of Training, the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations and the Master Chairman for resolution.


DELTA


The MEC Training Committee will have the right to meet with the Senior Vice President- Flight Operations, or his designee, for the purpose of advice or consultation concerning any matter relative to training and checking.
Distributed training, including examinations, will be developed with the input of the MEC Training Committee. The MEC Training Committee will be invited to attend meetings on a regular basis in the development process of any new course curriculum or distributed training product. All course materials will be provided to the MEC Training Committee Chairman allowing sufficient time for review prior to Company initial submission to the FAA for approval.

Strenyakov

What bait is that peeps? I forgot about Alaska when I wrote that, they probably fly into some challenging places too. Other than that, I don't think there is any other pilots who fly into as challenging areas.

domino

Ha ha ha. You’re such a weak troll.

damo1089

I thought that the training was great. Especially as a foreigner, I didn't even know what 121 meant and had zero instruction time.

The study was real. We did a lot of group study and was also lucky to have made some good friends in class. We all helped each other which was really nice. I don't think anyone flunked, this was at the end of 2017.

I remember becoming vegetarian, because it was quicker to cook than meat. As I didn't have a lot of time to waste not studying, and it pretty much became a way of life.

BigRedFlyer

Our November class hasn't had any issues that I'm aware of. We've had one or two folks trip up on INDOC and the GV, but no one has washed out. We had a few leave for other job offers.

My overall opinion, so far (I'm a couple of days out from the MV) is that SKW has an effective and well thought-out training program. Granted I have no other 121 experience to gauge it against, but my previous 5 years was in a GA training department.

I'm sure they have their issues (who doesn't) but it's been pretty clear sailing, so far, for our group.

Do you get to pick your sim partner? Not always, no, but will you get to pick your CA for every trip?

Do you get the best time to SIM? Nope, and I have 0400.

Make it work. Adapt and overcome.

Study hard, ask questions early and often, and I have no doubts that the training folks at SKW would bend over backwards to sort you out. I've had numerous people tell me that they *need* us around and they *want* us to succeed.

Good Luck!

rickair7777

Yeah, good point. You have to be able to fly safely on line with a 0400 show, a difficult or weak CA (or FO eventually), and ATC controllers cutting no slack for altitude busts.

So that's kind of a realistic standard. If you got a better deal in sim, Merry Christmas!

moflyer

SkyWest training is by far the best training I have ever recieved. I went through five full length training programs there, EMB-120 FO/CAPT, CRJ FO/CAPT, and ERJ-175 CAPT. Every training program was better than the previous one. They wanted everyone to succeed, no one in any of the classes I was in failed up until the 175. When I got hired byba major I found the training program to very jumbled and overall not well organized.

Turbosina

Not to pick a nit but I don't believe we have an 0400 show anywhere in the system. All I do is standups and the earliest van time I've ever had (not show time, but van time) is 0500.

If we do have an 0400 show outside of the training department, I pity that crew...