OOnewb

Yeah, this is what they do on the FA side. Glad to hear they don't do it to pilots. Seems like there are a lot of differences.

OOnewb

I'm taking about the really nitpicky stuff on dress code/grooming standards. Soles of the shoes being tan instead of black. A sleeve or collar style that isn't specifically listed in the attire section of the training packet. A tiny tattoo that could be covered by a ring or a watch. Do pilot trainees get written up for things like that?

captjns

The answer is embedded within you’re query.

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Disruptive behavior within the class, and disrespect to the instructor should be grounds for immediate termination.

Notwithstanding traffic or an accident on the route between the hotel and training facility.... no excuse for being tardy. It’s a sign of disrespect to those in your class, and those who invited you to training.

rickair7777

No. Not at any US airline that I'm aware of today. Maybe just maybe DL or AA would call you on something like that.

It's not the military, pilots are pretty relaxed when out the public view. But they do want to be confident that you'll behave appropriately when you are in the public, and not supervised. Don't give them any reason to think you would embarrass them.

rickair7777

Flight attendants work in a gestapo-like surveillance state, with termination quickly and commonly applied for multiple minor transgressions, such as dress code. Dress code includes lipstick color, buckles on leather shoes, etc. "Multiple" usually means "more than once". If they delay a flight, they are in deep doo doo. God help them if one cancels because they no-show. I know of one who was fired for being 30 minutes late (traffic) because the pilots timed out.

Quite different for pilots.

zondaracer

That is flight attendant stuff. You just need to show up clean shaven, and in business casual. If you show up without shaving or wearing jeans or something, you’ll get told to correct it and that’s about it. And don’t show up to class with a man bun.

If you have an attitude problem, you’ll be asked to go home and not come back. It’s as simple as that.

captjns

True statement. It’s not uncommon, for overseas carriers, that flight crewmembers report for training in a shirt and tie. A bit over the top... true. But it’s their train set.

Back in the late 70’s, in the U.S. we wore shirts and ties on day one for the ID Pictures. Then, on instruction from the instructors... business casual.... Button down shirt, or collared short sleeve shirts.

Whilst in class, with overseas carriers, crews were observed from day one though line training. It was far from Gestapo tactics. Problem children would be counseled on their transgressions, but only once.

Never witnessed anyone being asked to resign, nor kicked out of the club.

At the end of the day, it’s not rocket science. It’t not a question of corporate and graduate. It’s the first lesson of following the policies in the company’s GOM, FOM, COM, (operations manual) and training packet. One should have the maturity to not to test the waters on company policies.

OOnewb

I hear that you have strong feelings about this issue, and I respect that. I'm trying to get a feel for what the actual policies and practices are in training on the pilots' side at OO, though.

Are these things that pilot trainees actually get written up for at OO?

What counts as "disrespect" or "disruptive behavior" by OO standards? Like, earlier in this thread, someone was talking about certain airlines having a union-backed policy of allowing a retest by a different instructor. It seems like OO doesn't have that policy. What if a trainee stated that one instructor had been unfair during a drill and requested a different instructor for the retest? Would that be worthy of a write-up, or termination from the training program? Again, I get that everyone might have their own opinions here, but I'm asking about what actually happens in SkyWest pilot training.

As far as tardiness goes, aren't most trainees expected to take the hotel shuttle to training? I meant more in terms of coming back from breaks during the day. If you are a minute late back from a break, do you get written up? Or do you just have to throw $5 in to the pizza party fund?

zondaracer

I never saw anyone acting disrespectful in class. I did see one guy have an attitude in sim and asked to resign. Many students bring a car and then quite a few students will pool together in a car. If you’re late, then $5 for the pizza party. Captjns doesn’t work for SkyWest so he/she is just sharing their experience from other carriers.

Feel free to wear brown dress shoes to class.

Picture day requires wearing a white shirt and black tie. Class photo day requires wearing the uniform. Every other day, business casual.

amcnd

Ya. Don’t forget the FA tattoo check day!!! It’s always fun being at the Hanger that day.. they even have a special light that looks for tattoo hiding makeup..