TFAYD

No .........

But there are legendary MX write-ups re missing toner.

rickair7777

I actually would review the EP&Ls weekly while driving to work. Got to the point where I could do that without even looking at the printout. Takes about five minutes.

There are a few things (V1 cut profile, memory items) that you really should know cold on every flight. If you don't you'll probably be able to muddle your way through it, but events like that often get closely scrutinized... you don't want to get invited back for early sim after an event like that. I've used the memory items in anger four times, at my major interview those were good stories... as opposed to explanations about remedial sim training.

I think the guys in RNO nailed it perfectly... and still didn't have much margin. Wsan't there one in ASE as well?

wrxpilot

There have been some balked landings at ASE, but no engine failures (yet). We did have a crew takeoff from ASE, land in DEN, and experience a big engine fire during landing. That lead to an evacuation, and they all did a great job (the CA is at SWA now).

atpcliff

My airline, per Boeing, got rid of all memory items, and we never really had profiles, like I learned when I trained at a regional.

bronc

We get it.

rickair7777

Presumably replaced with a QRC.

Memory items, QRC... six of one, half dozen of the other.

GrayFlyer

10 year military helo guy here moving to KC-135s after I leave Active Duty at the end of the year. I've heard of the occasional helo guy struggling in KC-135 training, though I don't know of the specifics (If I had to guess, it'd be adjusting to the speed at which things happen, not systems). How have your ex-military rotary classmates done with the SkyWest training?

I have an engineering undergrad so I tend to overthink stuff, but some of the posts in this thread seem like red flags that might steer somebody away from SkyWest while other posts make it sound like great training. I get it, it's the internet, but what's the ground truth? I am very much unaware of what airline training is like and obviously everybody is coming from a different background, but reading the back-and-forth here makes it hard for an outsider to get an idea of how it really is. Is there a general consensus as to what's causing guys to not make it? what's your flying background?

RickRoss

That easy. Coming from a CFII background, I stressed myself out trying to learn everything and the reasoning why. The FMS pilot guide is 800+ PDF pages alone, the AOM volume 1 & 2 is over 2400+ PDF pages. The point I’m trying to make is, there is a crap ton of information and there is no way you can cover it all in two weeks of systems class, not even bringing up flows/procedures you cover too. Study, work with others in class(group study turns into BS sessions and very little gets done), ask questions and for help if needed. SKW wants you to succeed.
*edited to add my experience was on the ERJ. CRJ mileage may vary

Turboprop

Hellow Aviator2019,

Let me answer your question about if anyone had issues in training, yes. We all had them, but if you don’t put the time and effort, it will show.


You are describing the wrong SkyWest, or at least it’s not what the SkyWest I know. ERJ side.
SkyWest told us that we need to study in groups, so we did that. We were also 7, and 1 of them did not pass all the exams, but he never quit. Always asked for help, he was corporate guy, cool guy but too nervous, first time on the 121 gigs. I have been to this dance before, so it was not my first time, but on other regionals, I did see people get fired in training for not performing. I thought this guy was going to be like that, I thought he was going to get fired, but he never did. SkyWest gave him a lot of opportunities more than three strikes. So, it was my first time seen that in training, I was blown away about that, could not believe that a company will help you get additional training — my respects to this company SKYWEST.

Later on, I saw other 3 guys struggling, in training. The company gave them additional help, now there now doing excellent flying everywhere in the system.

My sim partner was an eight-year FO on the CRJ; he taught me how SKYWEST does it, so we practice flows, limitations, etc. After class every day. Of course, after class and happy hour for about 3 hours or more. So, plan of not sleeping your regular 8-10hours or so, more like 4 or maybe 5, at the end you will enjoy the hard work you put into the program. When I was in the sim, I felt I was behind, but the instructor told us that we were doing just fine, ahead of the game, he stated that he could see who has been studying or not.

Not sure what are you talking about ground school training department running on fear? Are you serious? That never happened to our class; it was the other way around. It was open door policy in training.


SLC on the CRJ side uh, well, I can tell you that my sim partner mentions horror stories about the CRJ program, way back ten years ago, he stated that culture had changed so much, for the better. And we both saw the other guys struggling, and he also said that if that was ten years ago, and the guys struggling would have been fired a long time ago, so we both very surprised about what SkyWest can help you on your training, but you need to speak up.

So far SkyWest has been way better training experience than the other regionals like I said before, it was not my first dance on 121. If you need help, they will help you, if you don’t ask for it, it could be too late.

Good luck with your training.

amcnd

^ya. 10 years ago (pre-175) was “build the aircraft”. Now the CRJ side has adopted the ERJ Training model... definitely not the “up or out” days anymore.... but don’t ever study alone! Thats the first sign of failure...