Whoa. 2 regional programs busted in 1 year?

Not to be a dik, but you are not up for this, at this time. I would suggest you do not start another 121 training program until you have completed a jet transition program or get a jet type rating.

If you try and fail at another 121, you may very well shut yourself out of the biz.

Coming to 121 from non-jet GA is for the young who have been recently flying pistons with GLASS COCKPITS and still have plastic brains. This is not for old guys.

I had a guy in my class who came from years of corporate jets with an FMS. BUT, that FMS was different than our FMS. He couldn't get past the procedure trainer just because of the different FMS. The point here is ....well, I forgot it already.

SEE!!! Being old sucks in this biz!!!

Just my tuff-love opinion.

Thanks everyone gotta do some soul searching right now

I don’t agree that old guys can’t make it. All regionals, except for wholly owned ones that can be picky, are hiring old guys. And, even though the wholly owned regionals seem to get away with age discrimination by using criteria such as how much an applicant has flown in the last 6 months, it is against the law for a regional to age discriminate.

Like I said, try Mesa if you want to try again. But, I can also say, they aren’t going to pass you unless you have the skills.

I'm not saying they age discriminate. I'm saying it is harder for an older guy with his background/experience/training to do this.

I just hate to see him ruin his chances by tanking another 121 program.

I say some regionals age discriminate. Go look at the new hire class pictures at Envoy versus SkyWest. It is evident Envoy is not hiring in a balanced way from the pool of applicants based on age.

And, what chances does he have?

To be honest, he has his best shot right now if he stays with the same jet and finds another company that will hire him. The knowledge is all fresh. He can tell his next company’s sim instructors where he needs to focus and get additional training if he presses hard enough. I just don’t think any 121 operation will hire him.

Two strikes is pretty bad. His chance for the majors is over. He will be a captain at a regional for the rest of his career, at best.

I personally know a guy who washed out at SkyWest, then GoJet. Now he is doing a two leg commute to Mesa (flying the CRJ) after successfully passing training there. Older guy, career changer. The guy probably had close to 60 hours of sim before starting training at Mesa.

Mesa’s hiring slowed in November. No new aircraft. Mesa is more selective than it used to be. He should still try Mesa though.

Not true at all. I know personally know a few people who washed out a few times at different airlines and now at the majors, also know great pilots who have never had an issue at all still sitting waiting for the big call. Don't ever give up Is what I tell people if you don't make it you don't make it, but at least you tried. 60000+ airline pilots at majors not all of them are/were check airmen, chief pilots, no DUIs, not Mesa ect lol. You want increase to your chances yes, but there are regular GOOD pilots out there with maybe a blemish or two some even 3 or more. I always tell people it took me 82 hours to my private at Riddle. People laughed said I was slow, should not be a pilot, try something else ect. Guess what 10000 hours later. Look what hard work gets you. May not be my dream company but I'm doing what I LOVE. Thats aviate, navigate and communicate. Wish our brothers and sisters some encouragement. If it's not in there future aviation has a way of weeding out those who don't belong. He will probably get to the majors before I do

Yeah I went to SkyWest Sept 2017 and went home Nov 22, 2017 slow progress in the sims.

Started at GoJet Mid October 2018 came home January 10th

I was really close maybe just one or two more sims to solidify my skills. They did say I flew the sim well just messed up on the go around. I know the procedures chair flying but of course it’s different in the sim.

As to my age I’ll be 61 this March so probably takes things a little longer to stick.

Just frustrating I know I was close to being able to pass but it is what it is I guess.

Hopefully it doesn’t matter to you guys but I’m a female pilot. Was a mechanic in the Army and was an airplane builder in the Seattle area. Basically a blue collar worker most of my working life. Paid for my ratings one by one from my hourly paycheck. All part 61 time. Got my private in 2003 and my CFI in 2014. Went from zero hours in 2002 to 1,500 hours in 2017 I’m sure most of you guys flight time was more compressed than mine was.

Never had any illusions of getting to the majors just not enough time left. Didn’t really want to be regional captain unless they made me. Just wanted to be an FO with maybe some seniority for better bidding. Just a small dream...

Stick with it. Don’t give up! You’ve worked too hard for too long.