I fly on AS often and have numerous friends that work there. I generally had respect for your management team (as an outsider) because I (kind of) feel like they practiced what they preach.

But no more.

I have friends that are in your Pathways program with Horizon, and I’m embarrassed at what a laughing stock and sh*tty program that truly is. Your management team locks people in as future AS pilots, and then keeps moving the goal post further away on them.

Congrats, we’ll hire you at Alaska. But no, you can’t interview as an off the street hire and get here sooner without pulling your guaranteed job offer through the Pathway’s program away. Even though your credentials are great (and we’ve already hired you), I wouldn’t give up that guaranteed job offer for our other, harder, interview process that has no guarantees! Thanks for staying a Horizon employee for another three years.

Or, Congrats, we’ll hire you, only to now (as of yesterday) require you to have 1,000 PIC at Horizon before we bring you onboard. So for those FO’s who were “hired,” don’t wait to upgrade and enjoy your quality of life knowing you have a job in hand. Because it’s not there until you get hours that weren’t required when we “hired” you...

How bogus is this place!?! It’s not the requirements (1,000 PIC) that frustrate me. It’s the fact that they are changing the requirements of those already vested and “hired” into the program. They waited 8 months to make this announcement, so guys could have made life choices to upgrade sooner if they’d known the requirements when interviewing.

What a trash move by angle lake. Your management team doesn’t behave and act as they preach with their core values. What an embarrassment.

I will never recommend them to any friends as a place to work. This is the 4th bogus move that I’ve seen that is just insulting to people who strive to do their best every day, for a crappy management team that doesn’t seem to care about anyone but themselves. Not impressed.


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Not just 1000 PIC, but 2000 hours total at Horizon. So if you came in with previous time and upgraded fairly quick you are gonna need more than 1000 PIC.

You’re an outsider complaining to a bunch of Alaska pilots about our managements questionable ethics regarding a guaranteed interview program? Get in line buddy, we got our own ****** to deal with...

Flows, guaranteed interviews, promises, upward track, whatever they are called. Their primary goal is to get the seats at the regional filled and staffed properly.

Once scooter trash always scooter trash

I spent about 5 minutes at Horizon. In that 5 minutes, I observed that these minimums are completely discretionary, particularly if you will add to Alaska’s “Diversity” numbers.




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Take this to the Horizon board. You don’t have to convince anyone here our management team has questionable ethics. We live it daily. This would be more useful for prospective QX hires who are most likely reading QX threads. AS pilots are not involved whatsoever in how the CPP program is executed. All we can do about this is nod and smile.

Besides, requiring PIC (esp in this day n age when it’s east to obtain in terms of quick seniority) is a good thing. I know a QX guy who said some think the Q is hard to upgrade to, the EJet is easier, but their mentality is I already got my pathways job so why should I upgrade? Some don’t want to risk getting a black mark on their record. This PIC change is a good thing. It’s not 2007-2012 anymore. Go upgrade and enjoy.

Nobody is saying that PIC ISN’T a good thing. But changing the rules after the deal has been made is unethical. Arguably, it’s breach of contract. Are you really OK with that?

I understand that the original deal was different than the one you (or I) would have wanted them to make, but are you really OK with management simply voiding the previous deal when they change their minds or - alternatively - that ‘bait and switch’ had always been the going in plan?

I’m at Alaska and I have 422 hours of TPIC 🤣🤣🤣