Terrible ethics
#21
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To be honest, I know jack and squat about other airlines flow through programs. I’m fairly new to this game. I guess I’m just naive and thought companies would follow through on their agreements.
Silly me. Lesson learned.
This is my first time even hearing that companies do this (change their agreements mid-way through). I think it’s morally wrong. And in this case, it’s affected a few of my friends and it frustrates me on a personal level.
I know you may not care—I’m not asking for sympathy. My friends (the ones hurt by this) aren’t even asking for that. I just wanted to make sure that if a pilot hiring manager from AS looks at this thread, that they know that I think they’re pieces of sh*t and disingenuous. And I hope some wannabe AS pilots read this thread and know that the management team there is only about themselves and that they don’t practice what they preach.
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Silly me. Lesson learned.
This is my first time even hearing that companies do this (change their agreements mid-way through). I think it’s morally wrong. And in this case, it’s affected a few of my friends and it frustrates me on a personal level.
I know you may not care—I’m not asking for sympathy. My friends (the ones hurt by this) aren’t even asking for that. I just wanted to make sure that if a pilot hiring manager from AS looks at this thread, that they know that I think they’re pieces of sh*t and disingenuous. And I hope some wannabe AS pilots read this thread and know that the management team there is only about themselves and that they don’t practice what they preach.
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We at Alaska Airlines inc are well aware that our management team are a bunch of lying SOB’s. We also are happy that the carrot and stick program requires PIC time.
Not much more to say except Horizon Air has always been a s41tty little regional that treats all their employees equally s41tty
#22
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All Compass pilots that were hired and started class with a flow got the flow. Those that didn't get the flow started there knowing they weren't getting it.
#23
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I couldn’t care less about the required minimums.
I do care about changing the requirements almost 8 months after introduction of the program. AS managers aren’t complying with their company core values, and are moving the goal post as they see fit.
We all know why they are doing it (to staff the regionals). I just wish they implemented this program from the beginning, or started with people hired through the Parhways program from here forward.
I don’t like them NOT complying with their verbal contract. It’s disingenuous and not befitting a company with these written core values.
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I do care about changing the requirements almost 8 months after introduction of the program. AS managers aren’t complying with their company core values, and are moving the goal post as they see fit.
We all know why they are doing it (to staff the regionals). I just wish they implemented this program from the beginning, or started with people hired through the Parhways program from here forward.
I don’t like them NOT complying with their verbal contract. It’s disingenuous and not befitting a company with these written core values.
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#24
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Besides, requiring PIC (esp in this day n age when it’s east to obtain in terms of quick seniority) is a good thing. I know a QX guy who said some think the Q is hard to upgrade to, the EJet is easier, but their mentality is I already got my pathways job so why should I upgrade? Some don’t want to risk getting a black mark on their record. This PIC change is a good thing. It’s not 2007-2012 anymore. Go upgrade and enjoy.
#25
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Except for the different times comment. Today many regionals are basically hiring DECs. There’s really no excuse in today’s environment. Besides, we’re talking about a flow program, not off the street hiring (of which could still come with 0 TPIC).
#26
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Apparently you've never paid attention when the Anglers negotiate contracts.
#27
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To be honest, I know jack and squat about other airlines flow through programs. I’m fairly new to this game. I guess I’m just naive and thought companies would follow through on their agreements.
Silly me. Lesson learned.
This is my first time even hearing that companies do this (change their agreements mid-way through). I think it’s morally wrong. And in this case, it’s affected a few of my friends and it frustrates me on a personal level.
I know you may not care—I’m not asking for sympathy. My friends (the ones hurt by this) aren’t even asking for that. I just wanted to make sure that if a pilot hiring manager from AS looks at this thread, that they know that I think they’re pieces of sh*t and disingenuous. And I hope some wannabe AS pilots read this thread and know that the management team there is only about themselves and that they don’t practice what they preach.
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Silly me. Lesson learned.
This is my first time even hearing that companies do this (change their agreements mid-way through). I think it’s morally wrong. And in this case, it’s affected a few of my friends and it frustrates me on a personal level.
I know you may not care—I’m not asking for sympathy. My friends (the ones hurt by this) aren’t even asking for that. I just wanted to make sure that if a pilot hiring manager from AS looks at this thread, that they know that I think they’re pieces of sh*t and disingenuous. And I hope some wannabe AS pilots read this thread and know that the management team there is only about themselves and that they don’t practice what they preach.
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#28
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
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So there were no new hires in the pipe that had the rug pulled out from under them after the sale? I was under the impression that those 400 some pilots that got the flow, struck a separate deal and the new pilots didn’t get in on it. I’ll ask my buddy, he’s a product of the program. Maybe I miss understood him the last time we talked about it.
#29
“Airlines are some of the most ethically managed company’s in US!”..... said no one....EVER. (Except for maybe those associated with Herb Kelleher, and he’s gone.)
If you’re gonna use “ethics” as a benchmark for who you’re gonna fly on, you’re gonna need a bigger boat.
If you’re gonna use “ethics” as a benchmark for who you’re gonna fly on, you’re gonna need a bigger boat.
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