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Of course you always have the ones who just want to look the other way, not address the problem, and act like it doesn’t exist. I can see those who have taken advantage of this preferential treatment not wanting the topic discussed. I wonder if these people truly believe that their skill and abilities got them the job or if they know that their gender and/or race may have played a significant role? They probably don’t care either way.

Maybe you should try talking to them. I know a few that look/are young and attractive. When you see them across the terminal, you probably assume that they only got hired because they are women. If you actually talk to them then maybe you will see what dozens of people (including other pilots) saw on their application and during their interview.

They are all qualified pilots with flight times within the average hiring range. They have also all gone above and beyond outside of the cockpit rather than simply climbing the seniority list at their regional thinking turbine PIC will make up for their personality. Maybe that extra drive to accomplish goals outside of aviation to improve their resume was a result from having to constantly prove that they belong in the pilot club too.

To get on the line they had to pass a dozen old school instructors who have no problems putting criticisms on their training record. If they were really subpar pilots, then the instructors and check airmen complaints would have caused hiring practices to change.

The few women in aviation I do know are also assets to their company. They are great teachers or ambassadors. They do a good job representing our profession and teaching new hires. I'd rather hire a female with only a 1,000 hours of turbine PIC who would make a great instructor than a male with 5,000 hours of PIC time who just wants to fly their line and go home.

And when I interviewed there were 4 women. 3 were check airmen at their regional too. At the end of the day, only 1 was hired.

If there really was a conspiracy to put women above men, then someone forgot to tell the interviewers because they sent 2 women home that had higher qualifications than me.

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Seems to me the problem isn't whether hiring is or isn't fair. I think the problem is that we identify to much of ourselves with our jobs.

For those of us who have made it to a legacy carrier or whatever company we want to be at, the confusion of self with job means that we/they are an elite few selected from teeming masses of mediocre pilots. Implying that hiring is flawed means that we could be flawed. Perhaps we aren't an elite few? Perhaps we're just as flawed as those who got rejected? We realize that the pride we may have in ourselves is based on some faulty assumptions.

For those of us who haven't yet or will never make it to our professional destinations, our rejection is somehow proof that airlines don't select the best. If they did, we'd be "there". Instead there's some mechanism be it affirmative action, a requisite-du-jour, etc. that is somehow preventing us from advancing. Implying that hiring works means that perhaps we are in fact worse than some of our peers. The pride we may have in ourselves is based on some faulty assumptions. What if we're not where we want to be because we are fundamentally worse than our peers? What if that quality is a fundamental part of our personality which we can mitigate but never remove? Facing a reality that we may be weaker than our peers in ways that we never thought were significant is a darned tough thought to address.

The reality is that we're all pretty much the same. Jump-seat around on different flight decks and you'll see more or less similar issues all across the industry regardless of employer. Each company has dilberts, fist-bump-bros, raging a--holes, etc.

I think there's a lot of data to support general chaos in hiring. Hiring is an emotional decision which is then rationalized by cherry picking data to support that emotional move.

The difference between first and third-tier airlines isn't hiring; it's training. Airlines that invest properly in training get more knowledge into the candidates they select. This also reduces the risk posed by the weakness each candidate brings. Airlines that invest in training are usually top-tier companies.

Did you just assume what race and gender identifies as?

Are you being offended on behalf of someone else?

SJW Central is looking for members, why don't you post over there?

He was talking about you, snowflake. lol, you are the main offender for the thread derail so stop acting like you are above it all. Almost made me spit out my Sunday morning coffee.