I agree with this sentiment, I think our issue with the argument over healthcare above is the fact that that mentality is indicative of someone who is out for themselves, and doesn’t see the big picture. We have to get these folks on board and understand why that mentality will hurt us in the long run. Unions only have true power when everyone is on the same page. The whole “what I want is different from the senior guys” and vice versa undercuts the whole process.

I completely agree!

I have never been in a union before so this is my first rodeo in that regard. I have been in management though and I have seen from several companies that there can be a definitive line drawn between profit margin and putting money in the employees pockets.

My management style has always leaned towards the employer maximizing what is given to the employee as the employee is your front line.

I have seen quite the opposite as well and having the employee group bickering among themselves is ALWAYS a win for the company.

It's hard to put personal gain secondary to the needs of the group but it will benefit in the long run. Even though you might be here for a short stint, you'd be a better person for building this place up for next group that comes in after you're gone. You can never go wrong paying it forward.

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I’m not a regional pilot yet but am on track to be next year. I’d like Air Wisconsin because I like their base and have had several friends fly for them.

The reasons I wouldn’t go to Air Wisconsin, in order would be:

-Failure Rate. No one wants a 121 training failure to start out their career. I’ll avoid Air Wisconsin if the training is sub-par to the point where they can’t pass motivated and qualified candidates
-Job security. I’d like a regional that is either wholly owned by a profitable company or a regional that has contracts with several. Only flying for United, but not being owned by them, makes the proposition of being dropped by them scary
-Pay rates. In order to avoid being dropped the company needs to stay competitive long term so to keep costs down they pay less (too much less)
-Aircraft. They also keep costs down by flying old planes


I don’t know that a new TA could fix my concerns. I think a home run would be if United just bought Air Wisconsin and as part of the agreement provided new airplanes and an overhaul of the training. That would set up a situation for meaningful raises.

The training is def the biggest red flag. 50% pass rate is pathetic. Most of us reading this are/were CFI’s at some point and if we only had 50% of our students pass no one would fly with us. If we only passed 50% of our checkrides no company would hire us. Candidates not being the best or not cut out for it would explain an 80-90% pass rate. Anything less than that suggests their training process is flawed or their trainers are useless.

Straight up failures aren't at 50%. People failing initial and leaving for various reasons during the period of being hired is relatively high.

That’s good to know. Most of the points I just mentioned in my above post are things I’ve gathered from reading this website. Please correct me if I’m wrong on anything else

Awac has been in business for 60 some years so job security from that point of view is high. At some point the wings will fall off these 200s and they'll have to get something else. We own a number of them outright is my understanding which I'm sure helps keep us profitable. The company is actually pretty good at making money. But negotiations and keeping our rates at the top is not their strong area. Soft pay and benefits are good. Training is not a walk in the park by any means. As been said before study hard and have a good attitude. They will work with you to get you through.

It's not 50%, but it's waaaaay higher than any other regional. Aside from the bases, I can't think of any reason to currently come to AirWiz.

I worked at AWAC from 2014-2016. There’s nothing sub-par about their training. Tough? Yes. But I came out a MUCH better pilot for it.

+1 agreed!