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Quote: DOH October 1972. I dont know if he was a scab or not.

TEN
41 years... and still on the 737. Why would someone subject themselves to that??
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41 years... and still on the 737. Why would someone subject themselves to that??
Easy, their hearing is gone!

GF
Quote: This is not a defense of scabs:

My understanding of the CAL scab situation is that there were true picket line crossing scabs who crossed early. Then there were scabs that fought the good fight, lost everything and crossed much later (a year or more) to put food on the table. Then there was a third group who were told by ALPA - at some level- MEC, LEC or some other level to return to work and they were labeled scabs as well.

I don't know many CAL pilots except a hunting buddy. He says CAL pilots generally made peace with their scabs (in at least the 2 later groups).

When I was at UAL, there was no peace made with the scabs. It was wierd for a fresh off AD guy (me) to deal with it, mostly because the whole (union/airline) thing was so new to me.

Today, with codeshares and sub-contractors, some union and some non-union, it seems to me that flying struck work is a very cloudy picture - to be taken on a flight-by-flight basis. Even then it is unclear to me how to tell if someone is flying struck work.

I think that's exactly how Management wants it, so it's 'unclear' to us who is flying struck work, which basically makes a Strike completely inefective. That, and they pay the A holes in DC a lot more than we do!

Frank Lorenzo was (is) big buddies with Bush 1. They're both from Houston. Lorenzo was one of his biggest "Campaign Contributors".

Now that "Corporations are People Too"...do you think any jack wad Senator in DC looking for Re Election Contributions is going to vote "Our Way"?

How much money does the A4A give them, vs. ALPA PAC? And how much is Emirates going to give them? I've been an ALPA PAC giver since I was off probation, but I can do simple math. A4A gives about 10X what ALPA PAC gives. Emirates can give 10X that.

I'm thinking Cabotage is coming, and sooner than any of us want to think about. Good thing Delta has about 14 Code Share Partners around the world.

I can see me finishing out my career on the 737 too...

What? Wuzat for us? Hu?
Quote: Thanks for the edit 80K!

You know when it comes to technology, I'm a comfortably numb caveman!
Quote: As soon as I could get my mom to take me to the music store, I bought a Pink Floyd CD. His tone.... just amazing.
Sorry for nerding out ... but here's a friend and mentor explaining his stage acoustic set up. He's got the best tone of anyone I've ever heard play. Part of the trick is his use of alternative tunings which expand the range of the instrument. While his Olsons sound the best the carbon fiber guitar handles the tunings and travel better than anything.



BTW, James Taylor describes Dave as "my favorite guitar player." Taylor sets up his Olsons really well too.
Quote: Easy, their hearing is gone!

GF
How you been buddy?

I hope you get back to MCO soon, or I get up there! Maybe we can divert to BDL on the way to DXB.

Let's see...hmmm....Bradley...that begins with a B, so that's got to be in the Jepp Alternates at...

Windsor Locks!
Timbo

Pretty good, just finishing up a SCEL trip, day off there made for a wine tour. Yeah, I have to get to FL soon. It's actually warming up in the Great White North, 70 at BDL today.

GF
While we are talking tone. Anyone think this resonates with Richard Anderson's Pinnacle excitement in the Q1 2013 Earnings Call ?

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CONTENTIONS
ALPA
ALPA contends that the wholly-owned airline affiliates of
Trans States Holdings, Inc. (TSH), TSA and GoJet, constitute a
single transportation system for representation purposes for
the craft or class of Pilots. ALPA argues that the two Carriers:
share common facilities; have a common main hub; are both
wholly-owned by the same individual, Hulas Kanodia; and have
overlapping management. ALPA additionally asserts that labor
relations at the two Carriers is handled jointly in many
respects as evidenced by the facts that: TSA Pilots were offered
employment at GoJet with pay and longevity based on their
length of service at TSA, up to a maximum of five years; some
Pilots who are currently working for GoJet are still on TSA’s
Pilot seniority list and are officially considered on a “leave of
absence” from TSA; recruitment and issuance of flight passes
are handled by the same persons for both Carriers; and
employees have been hired by one entity and transferred to the
other without additional interviews.
Based on Mr. Anderson's comments Pinnacle's going to be an alter ego of Delta. Before you write your rep to complain consider not a one of them objected to ALPA's actions (previous Reps) and our contract is silent on another pilot group effectively wearing our uniforms (with minor changes), being handled by our agents and even maybe being staffed with Delta Flight Attendants. Behind the cockpit door we all look the same ... just they're a heck of a lot cheaper to pay.

... we really did not need to have this problem in 2015, but I think we are going have to deal with it then. By that time it will have a lot of momentum behind it.
Quote: I still can not believe ALPA allowed another pilot group to do a deal with our management.

2015's goin to be interesting ... but, "RJ's were last decade's problem." Only if you accept that we lost, we are giving up and an RJ seats 100 people and can fly to South America from Atlanta.
You just have to trust Lee Moak. Right now there is no viable opposition to his regime. He and his disciples have an iron grip on the union and they are taking us down this new path whether we like it or not.
I hope they have a long term vision for how all this outsourcing and mainline scope dilution is going to benefit pilots someday. I just wish they would better articulate that vision.
Quote: This is not a defense of scabs:

My understanding of the CAL scab situation is that there were true picket line crossing scabs who crossed early. Then there were scabs that fought the good fight, lost everything and crossed much later (a year or more) to put food on the table. Then there was a third group who were told by ALPA - at some level- MEC, LEC or some other level to return to work and they were labeled scabs as well.

I don't know many CAL pilots except a hunting buddy. He says CAL pilots generally made peace with their scabs (in at least the 2 later groups).

When I was at UAL, there was no peace made with the scabs. It was wierd for a fresh off AD guy (me) to deal with it, mostly because the whole (union/airline) thing was so new to me.

Today, with codeshares and sub-contractors, some union and some non-union, it seems to me that flying struck work is a very cloudy picture - to be taken on a flight-by-flight basis. Even then it is unclear to me how to tell if someone is flying struck work.
I think the 83 guys AND gals are called super scabs and then there is a group called scratch backs and crawl backs. I dont remember the classification. I just remember there is some differences and there is something to the ALPA says its over but in reality they were still labeled as such. Basically there are differences.

CAL was made up of a lot of different groups who hated each other. But despite their differences they came together... to hate Coex.
Quote: While we are talking tone. Anyone think this resonates with Richard Anderson's Pinnacle excitement in the Q1 2013 Earnings Call ?

Based on Mr. Anderson's comments Pinnacle's going to be an alter ego of Delta. Before you write your rep to complain consider not a one of them objected to ALPA's actions (previous Reps) and our contract is silent on another pilot group effectively wearing our uniforms (with minor changes), being handled by our agents and even maybe being staffed with Delta Flight Attendants. Behind the cockpit door we all look the same ... just they're a heck of a lot cheaper to pay.

... we really did not need to have this problem in 2015, but I think we are going have to deal with it then. By that time it will have a lot of momentum behind it.
What are you saying? Also, I thought that Delta mainline pilots voted in scope easements....(I'm not trying to be argumentative, if you can believe that).
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