Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Page 15902

#159011

Herkflyr , 05-29-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067

It's been raining GS's everywhere. Even a few C's have gone out. I got my 1st out of base GS this month. Hope the new 117 LOA doesn't change that but I'm sure it will a little.

It will be interesting to see how it falls out. While the new LOA eliminated the company's headache regarding reserve acknowledgment, the provision that states that known open flying > 14 hours out cannot be handled by reroutes (a great provision) but instead must go through the PCS process may open up some flying.

#159012

Flamer , 05-29-2014 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

You really need to go back and look at what happened to the other employee groups at Delta. Entire groups had their jobs eliminated and outsourced never to return. Thousands of other employees had their jobs reclassified to DGS or DSS or whatever the name is now at much lower pay and benefits. Staffing in jobs that remained Delta has been slashed. Delta's non pilot costs are well below their pilot costs relative to the industry. You really don't want to compare your pay and benefits to the non pilot employees if your seeking improvements!

And the expectation management grenade bounces down the fourth floor stairwell.

#159013

newKnow , 05-29-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The post you're quoting was not a direct response to your post. Go back and read the post I replied to and what he said. Everyone with the exception of management made enormous sacrifices to get this airline through the last decade.

I read it and because he was referring to your response to my post, I don't understand who you were referring to when you posted this:

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I often see posts from pilots who feel they are the only ones who have suffered and the other employees have not made sacrifices...

If you weren't referring to my post about employee sacrifices, whose posts were you referring to?

#159014

EdGrimley , 05-29-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Imapilot2

I hear you and do understand that frustration but sometimes, more often than not with pilots and other large groups, its better to have a few good men do their best for us. I see it the same as this: After a 2hr delay on the ground in LGA you are faced with going back to the gate or in 15 min you feel you are going to be able to take off. Now get out of your seat, go to the back and ask all the passengers over the PA hands up if they want to go back to the gate ,hands down if they want to wait to take the chance to go. Everyone will argue to the other side that they don't understand their reasons well enough. Those that have to go want to take the chance, others will miss connect anyway so they want to go back. It will start a war that will never end.

Sometimes all the info in the room with the negotiators is so deep that the regular line guy will never grasp or even care to understand. So an honest "informed" vote never happens even if we MEMRAT it. I don't think their is a conspiracy for us to be left out. There are many people involved working for us. I also don't think that over time any other group/union working for us is going to be any different. Soak anything for a long time and it all comes out smelling the same. This of course is JMO.

I respectfully disagree with your perception of this. There is a general distrust/dissatisfaction of how our union leadership conducts business. Do live feed MEC meetings every third Thursday of the month with some time for Q and A at the end (similar to investor calls) as an example of how to really get people involved. I think you might be surprised how many people would sign up. Bringing people into the process in a format that can easily be attended (not flying/driving somewhere) could be a huge boon to pilots feeling like they are part of the program...the so called "unity" would get a huge shot in the arm.

The notion that we need a handful of guys thinking for us because we are too dumb or lazy to understand is at the heart of why people dislike this union leadership. It needs to stop. Additionally, getting the participation rate higher, then conducting a vote that has 90% plus behind the cause really amps up our message to management. The other ways (ie C2012 and this latest TA), not so much. Guys have been asking for the things mentioned above for a long time. The union is impervious to change. Why? Control.

#159015

newKnow , 05-29-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Well to start there was Black Monday in the late nineties where 5000 employees were let go on one day. The ramp once was a career job at Delta that payed well. Now they are all DGS people working for just above minimum wage. Gate agents have seen a large reduction in jobs with increased automation. Flights once worked with two or three agents now have one. Kiosks replaced a bunch of jobs at the front of the airport. Many of the agents left are part time. Basically the entire ground training department was let go and replaced with cd's and flash drives. Flight attendants suffered as large or larger job loss as pilots going from 20,000 down to about 12,000 premerger with large work rule changes. Crew scheduling like the ramp went from a well paying career job to off the street hires at half the pay and benefits. I can go on and on but let's just leave it at with the exception of management the last 15 years have been ugly.

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So, is your position that the rampers, gate agents, and other employee groups sacrificed and gave equal to, or more than their fair share to the company, compared to the pilots?

#159016

Whidbey , 05-29-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

For a category that is supposedly going to start big-time shrinkage in the fall, that's a surprise.

I keep hearing about a huge bid coming this fall. Lots of captain spots and the beginning of staffing adjustments for the new 330s.

If a drawdown is planned in the ER categories, maybe the plan is for it to be in terms of folks bidding up and out rather than pushing guys out the bottom?

One can hope.

#159017

80ktsClamp , 05-29-2014 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Whidbey

I'd hedge my bets heavily on the former more than the latter.

#159018

Bucking Bar , 05-29-2014 01:49 PM

Can't abide NAI

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Originally Posted by Whidbey

Crew Resources keeps writing they expect no ER displacement s and they just put out a bid for 25 ATL ER slots which they expect will go to new hires.

Advancement and attrition should pull more pilot s off the ER than they need to displace.

#159019

Bucking Bar , 05-29-2014 01:54 PM

Can't abide NAI

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Sailing,

You seem to be a man in search of an argument that isn't there.

Before going off the deep end to protect something that isn't being attacked, next time, take the time to read what I wrote, first.

Why should you be special

Welcome to the APC Veterans of Wars you never intended (or attended) club

#159020

Hrkdrivr , 05-29-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1

...As for herk and the other new guys from the military, your arrival into the airline will require something of a sea change in your thought process. Your new way of thinking has to be non-managerial and realize you are a technician pilot, not a management trainee. In commercial aviation, know your contract so you can maximize your income...don't just agree with whatever your union says is best for you. If a contract change (proposal) doesn't meet the sniff test of either giving you more money or more time off (preferably both), it isn't good.

Copy all...and tracking.