Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? >

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Search

Notices

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:10 AM
  #159001  
Purple Drank's Avatar
Straight QOL, homie
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,202
Likes: 1
From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
You really need to go back and look at what happened to the other employee groups at Delta. Entire groups had their jobs eliminated and outsourced never to return. Thousands of other employees had their jobs reclassified to DGS or DSS or whatever the name is now at much lower pay and benefits. Staffing in jobs that remained Delta has been slashed. Delta's non pilot costs are well below their pilot costs relative to the industry. You really don't want to compare your pay and benefits to the non pilot employees if your seeking improvements!
There's 15 seconds I won't get back.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:11 AM
  #159002  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20,876
Likes: 193
Default

Originally Posted by scambo1
I have to wonder why you felt the need to post this.

Are you proposing that an airline can operate without pilots? Or is it that pilots are as replaceable as cabin cleaners or ground service?
I often see posts from pilots who feel they are the only ones who have suffered and the other employees have not made sacrifices. It's simply not true and shows a lack of respect for non pilot employees and what they have also been through.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:19 AM
  #159003  
Alan Shore's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by tsquare
25 7ER FO positions??????????????? You newbies hit a lottery
Unless they're all filled by current pilots.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:20 AM
  #159004  
nwaf16dude's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,890
Likes: 0
From: 737A
Default

Originally Posted by tsquare
25 7ER FO positions??????????????? You newbies hit a lottery
For a category that is supposedly going to start big-time shrinkage in the fall, that's a surprise. Sure, we are short ERB's right now, but nobody that gets it on this award will be in place in time to help out before things start drawing down in the fall. I'd like to think it's because the shrinkage is shrinking, so to speak.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:21 AM
  #159005  
Alan Shore's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by newKnow
But, before we, as a pilot group, agree to anything to help the company I think we have to ask ourselves if it's absolutely necessary.
And whether/how it benefits us.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:22 AM
  #159006  
newKnow's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,844
Likes: 0
From: 765-A
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
You really need to go back and look at what happened to the other employee groups at Delta. Entire groups had their jobs eliminated and outsourced never to return. Thousands of other employees had their jobs reclassified to DGS or DSS or whatever the name is now at much lower pay and benefits. Staffing in jobs that remained Delta has been slashed. Delta's non pilot costs are well below their pilot costs relative to the industry. You really don't want to compare your pay and benefits to the non pilot employees if your seeking improvements!
Sailing,

I'm always willing to learn. Give me some examples. Who had their careers turned into a job? What kind of life were they looking at having in the 80's & 90's and how has that changed now?

Thanks in advance. (No exclamation needed.)
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:30 AM
  #159007  
nwaf16dude's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,890
Likes: 0
From: 737A
Default

Originally Posted by qball
If you haven't seen it "The West" by Ken Burns is excellent.
I've enjoyed every Ken Burns production I've seen, although he did kind of lose me with "Jazz". Probably because I'm not much of a Jazz fan. His series on Prohibition was really well done and I learned quite a few things that I never knew about how they managed to convince the whole country to vote away their booze.

I watched some of the World War series last night...seemed like history for people with attention deficit disorder. Pretty darn thin on content, but if you're going to do two world wars in three episodes, you probably don't have much choice. The "acting" was pretty awful.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:40 AM
  #159008  
newKnow's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,844
Likes: 0
From: 765-A
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
I often see posts from pilots who feel they are the only ones who have suffered and the other employees have not made sacrifices. It's simply not true and shows a lack of respect for non pilot employees and what they have also been through.
Sailing,

You seem to be a man in search of an argument that isn't there.

Where exactly did I say that we were the only employee group that suffered? Where did I say the other employee groups haven't made sacrifices?

In fact, I think I said we've given more than our fair share. Which, you should see, by it's very nature, implies that other groups gave in some way, as well. Ie. Our share was only a part of what the company got, get it?

For you to insinuate that I don't acknowledge what the non-pilot employee groups "have been through" when there is nothing I have said to indicate that is how is feel, is disrespectful and misleading on your part.

Before going off the deep end to protect something that isn't being attacked, next time, take the time to read what I wrote, first.


Thanks, in advance.

Last edited by newKnow; 05-29-2014 at 09:58 AM.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:41 AM
  #159009  
newKnow's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,844
Likes: 0
From: 765-A
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Shore
And whether/how it benefits us.
Absolutely.
Old 05-29-2014 | 09:48 AM
  #159010  
FIIGMO's Avatar
Sho me da money!
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 947
Likes: 0
From: B25, Left
Default

Originally Posted by Fly4hire
AE is out. All new hire positions.
Well nice to see Delta is staffing the airline east of west!

Major expansion in SEA, just letting the bubbas do it!
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
On Autopilot
Regional
22617
11-05-2021 07:03 AM
AeroCrewSolut
Delta
153
08-14-2018 12:18 PM
Bill Lumberg
Major
71
06-13-2012 08:36 AM
Quagmire
Major
253
04-16-2011 06:19 AM
JiffyLube
Major
12
03-07-2008 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices