Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-24-2014 | 08:43 AM
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I sure wish you all would stop quoting Carl. I have him on ignore but when you quote him I have to wade through his divisive drivel.
05-24-2014 | 08:49 AM
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05-24-2014 | 09:07 AM
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05-24-2014 | 09:07 AM
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which reps aren't accepting responsibility
that's really spineless, be a man and admit you screwed up, fix it and learn from your mistake. i have way more respect for that
mem rat is good for illegals but not important for the amended deal. if they are giving delta pilots 40 mil and more jobs outside of section 6 things look brite for next spring. big numbers going on my survey and if they ignore half of it itll be a huge contract anyway
that's really spineless, be a man and admit you screwed up, fix it and learn from your mistake. i have way more respect for that
mem rat is good for illegals but not important for the amended deal. if they are giving delta pilots 40 mil and more jobs outside of section 6 things look brite for next spring. big numbers going on my survey and if they ignore half of it itll be a huge contract anyway
05-24-2014 | 09:11 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
which reps aren't accepting responsibility
that's really spineless, be a man and admit you screwed up, fix it and learn from your mistake. i have way more respect for that
mem rat is good for illegals but not important for the amended deal. if they are giving delta pilots 40 mil and more jobs outside of section 6 things look brite for next spring. big numbers going on my survey and if they ignore half of it itll be a huge contract anyway
that's really spineless, be a man and admit you screwed up, fix it and learn from your mistake. i have way more respect for that
mem rat is good for illegals but not important for the amended deal. if they are giving delta pilots 40 mil and more jobs outside of section 6 things look brite for next spring. big numbers going on my survey and if they ignore half of it itll be a huge contract anyway
If you want to do your own research, all of the Councils' communications are up on the MEC web site.
05-24-2014 | 09:14 AM
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BTW, is anyone else bothered that the big win in all this...the ADG increase...doesn't take effect for almost half a year, but the reserve report issues that this whole thing was based on in the first place take effect immediately? One of which was 12 hours going to 13 hours...but is now back to 12 hours with the added bonus of automatic voice mail notification, and the other was nothing on day one before noon by company memo, but now its 10am per joint agreement.
05-24-2014 | 09:16 AM
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You've every right, and in my view a responsibility, to defend your friends with the facts. Sometimes those facts make people uncomfortable - they cause them to be accountable. Pandering populism fades when confronted with the facts. It's not a N-S thing when you show the facts.
Fact: C20 forwarded a resolution to the MEC unanimously passed by their membership. That resolution was done prior to the 1Q 2010 MEC meeting. The MEC took no action on it due to upcoming FAR changes. (source 2010 C20 resolution posted here).
Fact: The MEC directed the negotiating committee to negotiate the inclusion of SDP in this FAR 117 agreement (source C1 update posted here).
Opinion: The people active on various webboards were surprised by the inclusion of SDP in the agreement and reacted very negatively to their inclusion.
Opinion: I find it interesting that in their post meeting update C20 would write
Incidentally, contrary to a new “urban legend”, the SDPs were not a result of Council 20 reps lobbying for them. We have had significant reservations regarding the concept of Split Duty Periods (SDPs / Continuous Duty Overnights - CDOs), and this was reinforced by the input from Council 20 pilots.
There's nothing "N vs S" in those facts. And we wouldn't have been discussing SDP without the concurrence of the Delta MEC.
You've got to wonder why there's not a similar level of outrage over the cross council recall efforts, though. Makes some of the protests here ring hollow, imo.
05-24-2014 | 09:37 AM
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Read your own posts! Why post a resolution from years ago? I'm a former south guy and all this nonsense about DTW is deflection from where the responsibility lies. Last time I checked DTW alone doesn't decide the direction of the NC, since that is where you are suggesting the push for CDOs came from. I know nothing of this KW issue you keep blowing up on this forum. You are the one being divisive right now bringing this to light and making it a NvS issue. That is all noise that is confusing responsibility.
My point is this is as much a failure of council 44, 20 etc as any other council. I have no agenda other than to shoot down all the political BS, run for cover, blame nonsense I see this morphing into rather than really finding out who decided these ridiculous CDOs were good for Delta Pilots as a whole. This single issue had the most potential to destroy a safe culture and QOL more so than any issue since I have been at Delta. I see fingerprints all over this thing including ATL reps who defended it to me personally over a month ago. This is vintage top down IMO. We deserve much better than what just happened.
Bar you are guilty of what you have accused so many of in the past. If you don't see that, I can't help you.
My point is this is as much a failure of council 44, 20 etc as any other council. I have no agenda other than to shoot down all the political BS, run for cover, blame nonsense I see this morphing into rather than really finding out who decided these ridiculous CDOs were good for Delta Pilots as a whole. This single issue had the most potential to destroy a safe culture and QOL more so than any issue since I have been at Delta. I see fingerprints all over this thing including ATL reps who defended it to me personally over a month ago. This is vintage top down IMO. We deserve much better than what just happened.
Bar you are guilty of what you have accused so many of in the past. If you don't see that, I can't help you.
So back to my original post on this: How do we learn from this and what do we learn from this? We can't recall everyone...even though right now that's what is deserved here. This is every bit as political, disorganized and unprofessional as the recent recall of the MEC chairman.
There's no question in my mind that this is the bunch that will be taking us into Section 6 next year. What a friggin mess.
Carl
05-24-2014 | 09:47 AM
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I think he's saying that, under the old system he commutes to base during the first 2 hours of his short call, and can commute home 10 hours later. Under the new system, he must wait 12 hours after he commutes in to commute home.
On the flip side, he'll get 2 more hours notice to set up the commute, assuming the last-minute assignment to short call.
On the flip side, he'll get 2 more hours notice to set up the commute, assuming the last-minute assignment to short call.
05-24-2014 | 09:48 AM
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As for the costing of this, I can't figure out how our guys cost out something that they don't know and can't control, but the company knows and does control. CDO's as well as augmented domestic in all its forms is a function of how many, if any, the company decides to do, and they can change at any time. How do we put a fixed cost on that in the first place?
To me, the single biggest gain in this whole thing is the 5:15 ADG, which affects reserves even more so than regulars. Reserves will finally get the same pay and credit for the same work, meaning that their GS trips will often be worth more and they'll fill up more quickly.
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