Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-29-2014 | 09:56 AM
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Hummm…. Where exactly did I say that we were the only employee group that suffered? Where did I say the other employee groups haven't made sacrifices? 
In fact, I think I said we've given more than our fair share. Which, you should see, by it's very nature, implies that other groups gave in some way, as well. Ie. Our share was only a part of what the company got, get it?
For you to insinuate that I don't acknowledge what the non-pilot employee groups "have been through" when there is nothing I have said to indicate that is how is feel, is disrespectful and misleading on your part.
Before going off the deep end to protect something that isn't being attacked, next time, take the time to read what I wrote, first.
Thanks again.
In fact, I think I said we've given more than our fair share. Which, you should see, by it's very nature, implies that other groups gave in some way, as well. Ie. Our share was only a part of what the company got, get it?
For you to insinuate that I don't acknowledge what the non-pilot employee groups "have been through" when there is nothing I have said to indicate that is how is feel, is disrespectful and misleading on your part.
Before going off the deep end to protect something that isn't being attacked, next time, take the time to read what I wrote, first.
Thanks again.
05-29-2014 | 09:59 AM
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No idea. Just a guess.
05-29-2014 | 10:12 AM
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Well to start there was Black Monday in the late nineties where 5000 employees were let go on one day. The ramp once was a career job at Delta that payed well. Now they are all DGS people working for just above minimum wage. Gate agents have seen a large reduction in jobs with increased automation. Flights once worked with two or three agents now have one. Kiosks replaced a bunch of jobs at the front of the airport. Many of the agents left are part time. Basically the entire ground training department was let go and replaced with cd's and flash drives. Flight attendants suffered as large or larger job loss as pilots going from 20,000 down to about 12,000 premerger with large work rule changes. Crew scheduling like the ramp went from a well paying career job to off the street hires at half the pay and benefits. I can go on and on but let's just leave it at with the exception of management the last 15 years have been ugly.
05-29-2014 | 10:12 AM
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05-29-2014 | 10:26 AM
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05-29-2014 | 10:26 AM
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It's been raining GS's everywhere. Even a few C's have gone out. I got my 1st out of base GS this month. Hope the new 117 LOA doesn't change that but I'm sure it will a little.
05-29-2014 | 10:39 AM
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It will be interesting to see how it falls out. While the new LOA eliminated the company's headache regarding reserve acknowledgment, the provision that states that known open flying > 14 hours out cannot be handled by reroutes (a great provision) but instead must go through the PCS process may open up some flying.
05-29-2014 | 10:44 AM
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You really need to go back and look at what happened to the other employee groups at Delta. Entire groups had their jobs eliminated and outsourced never to return. Thousands of other employees had their jobs reclassified to DGS or DSS or whatever the name is now at much lower pay and benefits. Staffing in jobs that remained Delta has been slashed. Delta's non pilot costs are well below their pilot costs relative to the industry. You really don't want to compare your pay and benefits to the non pilot employees if your seeking improvements!
05-29-2014 | 11:26 AM
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If you weren't referring to my post about employee sacrifices, whose posts were you referring to?
05-29-2014 | 11:30 AM
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I hear you and do understand that frustration but sometimes, more often than not with pilots and other large groups, its better to have a few good men do their best for us. I see it the same as this: After a 2hr delay on the ground in LGA you are faced with going back to the gate or in 15 min you feel you are going to be able to take off. Now get out of your seat, go to the back and ask all the passengers over the PA hands up if they want to go back to the gate ,hands down if they want to wait to take the chance to go. Everyone will argue to the other side that they don't understand their reasons well enough. Those that have to go want to take the chance, others will miss connect anyway so they want to go back. It will start a war that will never end.
Sometimes all the info in the room with the negotiators is so deep that the regular line guy will never grasp or even care to understand. So an honest "informed" vote never happens even if we MEMRAT it. I don't think their is a conspiracy for us to be left out. There are many people involved working for us. I also don't think that over time any other group/union working for us is going to be any different. Soak anything for a long time and it all comes out smelling the same. This of course is JMO.
Sometimes all the info in the room with the negotiators is so deep that the regular line guy will never grasp or even care to understand. So an honest "informed" vote never happens even if we MEMRAT it. I don't think their is a conspiracy for us to be left out. There are many people involved working for us. I also don't think that over time any other group/union working for us is going to be any different. Soak anything for a long time and it all comes out smelling the same. This of course is JMO.
The notion that we need a handful of guys thinking for us because we are too dumb or lazy to understand is at the heart of why people dislike this union leadership. It needs to stop. Additionally, getting the participation rate higher, then conducting a vote that has 90% plus behind the cause really amps up our message to management. The other ways (ie C2012 and this latest TA), not so much. Guys have been asking for the things mentioned above for a long time. The union is impervious to change. Why? Control.
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