Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Page 8974

#89731

Ferd149 , 02-19-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

How come all you crazies are passing through a-town and not wanting to hang out with your buddy Clamp? I'm starting to feel a bit isolated out here in the burbs with the hill folk and my banjo.

The whiskey is a lot cheaper up here.

I'm tak'en that as an an invite. I'll be back through on my DV8 deadhead next month. APC PARTY

(but it's another Sunday 11th

)

Uncle Ferd

#89732

chuck416 , 02-19-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

I'm not talking about fighting him... not at all. But if.. as he claims.. I am management, and he tells me to kiss his ass that he is not going to wear his hat, my next question would be to ask him if his resume is up to date. If he were to be a Golden Gloves champ and hit me, well that would be a bonus. I know a few reeeeeeally good lawyers. I stopped physically fighting when I was 16.

Tsquare, if you "....stopped physically fighting when (you) were 16...", I would submit that you never really started physically fighting. Not trying to pick a fight here, but, really, c'mon...

#89733

Ferd149 , 02-19-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck416

Tsquare, if you "....stopped physically fighting when (you) were 16...", I would submit that you never really started physically fighting. Not trying to pick a fight here, but, really, c'mon...

I'm not sure your point. Because it wasn't in a cage or what?

My last one was in college.....against a friend....I still regret it. Good on T

#89734

727C47 , 02-19-2012 08:16 PM

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AMEN . good on T.

#89735

Jesse , 02-19-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Xray678

I have heard a lower number for the survey, but since we don't know the results it is all speculation. That said, do you think the average is 30% day one, or 30% over a typical 4 year contract?

I am more concerned about scope than pay. And there are several work rules I think need to be addressed.

Another tactic that works well in the effort to lower expectations. Not on your behalf, but on the one who "leaked" it.

#89736

Jesse , 02-19-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by shiznit

I still don't have a clear picture how a different union will be able to convince the NMB (ya' know, those 3 people in DC who have ALL the control) to give us more than our current representational agent.

That's why you don't.

#89737

FrankCobretti , 02-19-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

Another tactic that works well in the effort to lower expectations. Not on your behalf, but on the one who "leaked" it.

Y'ever notice that when anyone opines that we may have to settle for less than 100% raises, corvettes, and comfort visits from Bastian's girlfriend, he gets accused of "managing expectations?"

#89738

Bill Lumberg , 02-19-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti

Y'ever notice that when anyone opines that we may have to settle for less than 100% raises, corvettes, and comfort visits from Bastian's girlfriend, he gets accused of "managing expectations?"

But the numbers just aren't that high. Usually it's in the lower teens, and that just won't do. The airline is VERY profitable, will be even more so after the debt is paid down by 2013, and THEY need to not settle on meager increases. Southwest rates for our 737s should be a good starting point. Plain and simple. When ALPA comes through to the lounges and starts to wince or shake their heads (when they should be taking notes from us to give to the negotiators), that is called "managing expectations." I have seen it first hand in a Northern base, and it wasn't good. And YES, they got an earful. They are elected by us to WORK for us, not try to give us lower expectations so they can eventually say "see, we got you what you wanted......" Not gonna work.

#89739

Bill Lumberg , 02-19-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bigguns

let us do some simple yet liberal math and understand the economies of scale here at delta... Delta operates 800,000+ flights annually (not counting dci).

$35,000 /yr raise
x12,000 pilots 1
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$420,000,000
/800,000 flts per year 2
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$525 per flight
/ 75 1st seats sold 3
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$7.00 a ticket on 1st 75 seats sold to cover the pay increase 4
12,000 is more than the acuatlly number that would get the raise. (driving the cost lower)

800,000 does not including the dci flights. (driving the cost lower)

delta has 710 aircraft with an averaged seat count of 174 seats. So with 80+% you could easly spread that cost out over even more seats. (driving the cost lower)

without even including dci in ticket sales cost can be spread out further:

$52.5 on 1st 10 seats sold,

$10 on 1st 50 seats sold,

$5.25 per ticket on 1st 100 seats sold,

$4.20 on 1st 120 seats sold, the more sold the lower and lower the cost.

these numbers are higher than the real cost when you add in dci tickets, and real number of pilots on the payroll. Cargo and other ancillary revenue could also drive this cost even lower.

delta air lines can afford a big pay raise, and alpa needs to be communicating this type of info to its membership!!!

+1............................ Didn't the airline make $900 million last year in bag fees? Could that help? ALPA says NO?

#89740

80ktsClamp , 02-19-2012 08:45 PM

Da Hudge

I think the DPA survey results give a decent insight... perhaps that is more of an insight to us crazies, but the main part of the bell curve is well above 30% to the mid 40's.

Show me the money!!

I'm waiting for the scope survey...