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At least the first 800 (geezers and all) seemed to understand what unity meant for the union to succeed. Since the seniority list has almost tripled and approximately 250+(?) of those 800 have since retired, one might wonder how much benefit there is to the group as a whole when divisive comments like this abound. The future of this union and the working relationship with the company has passed to other hands. It is unfortunate that the most vocal posters have been sending out hostile messages to fellow members - - - not a very encouraging sign for future solidarity within the union. It does no good to debate the merits of each side's argument - but frankly, some of these posts concerning the "geezers" remind me of impatient relatives waiting for their elders to go to a better place so they can hurry up and get what they are entitled to - even if they need to help them along. Personally, I have appreciated all the knowledge that has been given to me by all the "geezers" who took the time to educate and have given up so much of their free time in order to make this as tolerable a place as can be to work. That also goes for the "geezers to be" who have done the same. As far as 'feelings' for the company, first hand dealings with this company sets the tone - and I think it is safe to say most of us have had some rather unpleasant experiences tarnishing our opinion. The longer one works here, the more 'experiences' you rack up.
Curious also - what 'pinnacle' in the cargo airline industry have you seen in the last 20 years?
Originally Posted by congowings
"This generation of geezers is pathetic." - SeinfeldAt least the first 800 (geezers and all) seemed to understand what unity meant for the union to succeed. Since the seniority list has almost tripled and approximately 250+(?) of those 800 have since retired, one might wonder how much benefit there is to the group as a whole when divisive comments like this abound. The future of this union and the working relationship with the company has passed to other hands. It is unfortunate that the most vocal posters have been sending out hostile messages to fellow members - - - not a very encouraging sign for future solidarity within the union. It does no good to debate the merits of each side's argument - but frankly, some of these posts concerning the "geezers" remind me of impatient relatives waiting for their elders to go to a better place so they can hurry up and get what they are entitled to - even if they need to help them along. Personally, I have appreciated all the knowledge that has been given to me by all the "geezers" who took the time to educate and have given up so much of their free time in order to make this as tolerable a place as can be to work. That also goes for the "geezers to be" who have done the same. As far as 'feelings' for the company, first hand dealings with this company sets the tone - and I think it is safe to say most of us have had some rather unpleasant experiences tarnishing our opinion. The longer one works here, the more 'experiences' you rack up.
Curious also - what 'pinnacle' in the cargo airline industry have you seen in the last 20 years?
Congo,
When I visit the Bar and Grill I sometimes get the same feeling about the over 60 crowd that you get from this generally junior crowd on APC. Somehow I feel that this furlough is payback for the lousy contract that was signed and I was not on property to vote on it. I'm going to vomit all over the next person that I hear that from. That $hit is history. Many people play the card of "I've been furloughed before, we all go through it, now it's your turn". Guess what, most of us have that card, many from a few airlines. I will be officially furloughed from the 2nd largest passenger carrier since 2002 and now the 2nd largest cargo carrier (depending how it's measured). I don't feel a sense of entitlement but I do feel a sense of loss from a legislation change that I didn't have a say in, ok, that's over too, I'll move on.
You want solidarity then realize that the the over 60 crowd got an absolute windfall and now we at the bottom are feeling the fall out from it in this time of economic uncertainty. I do blame most of this on the way the government and UPS has handled things. UPS could have sweetened the pot to move things along with retirement incentives and health insurance.The over 60 crowd got an absolute windfall and it would be nice to hear a few more (I heard it once) say "I got lucky" rather than ranting about discrimination or getting even with UPS. I will say this, most of the guys I have worked with have been great guys.
So far, my choice (in the bottom 100) is to tow the line and get ready for a furlough. To give solidarity is to say things like: full pay to the last day, don't change the contract for me, furlough my a$$ so you (we) can all ride a good contract. Ok, I'm on board, these are the things I've been saying in public, although it's difficult. I agree with you that "geezer" and other names are not appropriate but aside from that what do you need to feel a sense of unity? I will encourage my fellow pilots not to use derogatory names describing the over 60 crowd, like: geezer, near dead, herpes, geriatric crowd, grandpa. Had to get one last run! Joking! Please guys, that's enough. This solidarity goes both ways. Now it's your turn, what are you going to do for solidarity?