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Quote: No, I'm a person with a little sense that can easily see how too many people at ALPA are making too much money for the product they offer. You are free to keep playing cheerleader though.
ALPA employees have taken cut after cut over the past ten years, and the number of staff members has been reduced by a third. ALPA managers imposed contract terms on the professional employees for a two year period and eventually forced the union to cave on a deal that significantly altered their benefits package. And you want to play more hardball? Frankly, I think it's disgusting how poorly we treated our employees. Expecting even more blood out of that turnip is crazy.
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Quote: ALPA employees have taken cut after cut over the past ten years, and the number of staff members has been reduced by a third. ALPA managers imposed contract terms on the professional employees for a two year period and eventually forced the union to cave on a deal that significantly altered their benefits package. And you want to play more hardball? Frankly, I think it's disgusting how poorly we treated our employees. Expecting even more blood out of that turnip is crazy.
And most of them still make too much. Like the post above mentioned, it's hard to sell a product when it stinks and no one wants to but it.
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Quote: And most of them still make too much. .............
How much should an Attorney Make?
How much should an Office manager Make?
I constantly read on these forums that Good wages make a better more
productive employee.
Gee isn't that what we always say about ourselves?
Pilots are highly skilled and deserve to be paid god wages.....right?

I guess that doesn't apply to our own employees.

You want bad service, cut their wages and reduce benefits.
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Quote: ALPA employees have taken cut after cut over the past ten years, and the number of staff members has been reduced by a third. ALPA managers imposed contract terms on the professional employees for a two year period and eventually forced the union to cave on a deal that significantly altered their benefits package. And you want to play more hardball? Frankly, I think it's disgusting how poorly we treated our employees. Expecting even more blood out of that turnip is crazy.
Airline pilots have taken cut after cut over the past ten years, and the number of pilots at the mainline level, and now even at the regional level has been reduced by a similar level within ALPA.

The irony here is that you are criticizing and cheerleading for ALPA in the same post.

I noticed the Air Tran pilots voted for this resolution even though you won't be in ALPA when this takes effect...Your MEC should have abstained from this vote....
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Quote: How much should an Attorney Make?
How much should an Office manager Make?
I constantly read on these forums that Good wages make a better more
productive employee.
Gee isn't that what we always say about ourselves?
Pilots are highly skilled and deserve to be paid god wages.....right?

I guess that doesn't apply to our own employees.

You want bad service, cut their wages and reduce benefits.
We all feel we deserve it. ALPA natl. Has done nothing to earn those wages. ALPA'S slogan is we may suck as s union but who else is there. They're fighting to nit hsve our benefits taxed by the govt. But then they turn around and tax our 401k. In the last ten yrs. What has alpa dond to make our careers better.
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Quote: How much should an Attorney Make?
How much should an Office manager Make?
I constantly read on these forums that Good wages make a better more
productive employee.
Gee isn't that what we always say about ourselves?
Pilots are highly skilled and deserve to be paid god wages.....right?

I guess that doesn't apply to our own employees.

You want bad service, cut their wages and reduce benefits.
Sorry, but asking a 30K a year regional pilot to pay more for ALPA is so absurd that it illustrates just how out of touch this disfunctional "union" is....
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Quote: Sorry, but asking a 30K a year regional pilot to pay more for ALPA is so absurd that it illustrates just how out of touch this disfunctional "union" is....
I do not know what regional you work for.

I bet if you ask your MEC Secretary Treasurer how much Dues is collected from your members compared to how much money you get from ALPA, that you are getting the better part of the bargain.

Most regional MECs (not all) are funded off the backs of the legacies and Cargo. We don't complain for that.

Maybe all the Members with Retirement plans should get refund for all the dues paid on their 401K plans the last several years.

Shouldn't we all pay the same percentage no matter how big or how small?
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Quote: How much should an Attorney Make?
How much should an Office manager Make?
I constantly read on these forums that Good wages make a better more
productive employee.
Gee isn't that what we always say about ourselves?
Pilots are highly skilled and deserve to be paid god wages.....right?

I guess that doesn't apply to our own employees.

You want bad service, cut their wages and reduce benefits.
Well said.
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Quote: Airline pilots have taken cut after cut over the past ten years, and the number of pilots at the mainline level, and now even at the regional level has been reduced by a similar level within ALPA.
So, because some pilots have had their pay cut (yours has gone up thanks to ALPA, by the way), you want to vindictively slash the pay of our own employees. You too would make a great airline manager.

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The irony here is that you are criticizing and cheerleading for ALPA in the same post.
That's because unlike you, I am not starting each post with a bias. When ALPA does something good, I cheerlead. When ALPA does something bad, I criticize. Instead of such objectivity, you choose to do nothing but attack, simply because you're bitter that Delta pilots wouldn't hand you a seniority number on a silver platter. Get over it, already.

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I noticed the Air Tran pilots voted for this resolution even though you won't be in ALPA when this takes effect...Your MEC should have abstained from this vote....
I suspect that AirTran pilots will be in ALPA when this takes effect. SWAPA is doing everything in their power to drag their feet on AirTran pilots becoming SWAPA pilots. There is currently no schedule for SWAPA representation to be implemented.
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If regional pilots were smart (and had some balls), they'd form a half dozen or so pilots in a group and get grass roots movement to form a new union strictly for the interests of regional airline pilots and coordinate with equivalent groups at other regional carriers.

If you could form a new regional union for the largest 2 or 3 regionals, I'm sure most others would follow. If you really examine ALPA's effectiveness over the last decade for ALL its represented pilots, you'd see they've become virtually worthless.

You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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