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Quote: I don't think lamenting the absence of alcohol in the cockpit in an open forum is very professional Grumble.
I think it's sad that you get off either hearing yourself or trying to one up or stick it to someone else. You are acting like a middle school girl. I guess it's easier to fall back on immaturity rather than being the better man.
Quote: So basically people are whining about not knowing what they are getting into.
Uh. Noooooo. For people who can handle the topic (ref: Grumble), this is about Constitutional rights. Specifically; the 14th Amendment: Right to Equal Protection, and how unions can help during an era when wage concessions seem to be the norm.
Quote: It's obvious Grumble is having problems following the Co-Founders directive to move this thread along to the Union Application debate. Can I make the suggestion that he gets banned from the thread?

He's still busy struggling to find anything, JUST ANYTHING, to discredit someone he sees as an adversary who's taking him to school. There, there Grumble. I know. This whole concept scares you. Take it easy.

The thing you have to try discrediting is that Unions might not be able to help with this. You ready for that?
Wow...just wow! You are a real piece of work. You embarked on a risky mid-life reinvention of yourself knowing you had some huge skeletons in your closet. You asked people to trust you and loan you money. You promised to pay them back. I'm sure you didn't make it a point to tell your creditors about the skeletons in your closet and your diminished chance of getting a job in your new found occupation of choice.

And, through another act of generosity, when you are given a chance at a regional airline, you fail the training program while blaming everybody but yourself. You are a living example that I will use when teaching my kids about taking responsibility and the ramifications one's actions can have on their lives.

If your "constitutional right" of ditching your student loans because you couldn't hack it in a rigorous (lol) regional airline training curriculum were to ever become a reality, what do you think will be the ramifications of that? Go ahead, I'll give you a minute to think about it...times up. You guessed it, LENDERS WOULD NO LONGER OFFER THOSE TYPES OF LOANS. Which is fine with me because I think too many young kids and dudes with mid-life crisis do not count the costs when they assume those loans.

You, however, received your loans. You failed out of the system and now want to pull up the ladder by ditching your loans and removing the same opportunities you were so afforded.

You want uncle sam to save you from the big bad creditors just like you want the forum moderators to save you from the big bad Grumble. Pathetic.

You come across as a whiner in desperate need of a lot of soul searching.

Here's wishing you good luck. It looks like you have had incredible luck so far but have succeeded in blowing all of it. You are not entitled to a good paying job that you don't hate. You had a job you didn't like. You gambled your bird in the hand and lost. Get over it, pay your bills and get a job. Any job. It doesn't have to be your glamorous airline pilot fantasy job.
Quote: I think it's sad that you get off either hearing yourself or trying to one up or stick it to someone else. You are acting like a middle school girl. I guess it's easier to fall back on immaturity rather than being the better man.
Two answers
  • You're talking to Grumble, right?
Or, if you're somehow addressing me...

  • Hey. You gotta fight extremism with extremism. It's the only language they understand. So, how come you didn't say the same thing about Grumble? His little immature incontinence of completely unrealated material occurred in post #42. Mine post #45. DO NOT think you can make it, without being able to take it.
Quote: I only spent 20k for training and I took out no loans.
20K? Is that supposed to be a joke?
Superconductor

I find it hard to believe you are 42. I'm sorry you are where you are and I hope time brings along some new opportunities.

A long look in the mirror will hurt but in the end you will be better off.

As a side note, I cannot pretend to understand constitutional law in how it pertains to bankruptcy proceedings. I can offer no sensible legal debate, I can say your choices and actions have brought you are today same as me.
Ladies and gentleman. Allow me to introduce .....MR. EMOTIONAL!!

Quote: Wow...just wow! You are a real piece of work. You embarked on a risky mid-life reinvention of yourself knowing you had some huge skeletons in your closet.
LoL!! "Huge"? LoL!! As you can see, the airlines didn't care one stinking bit. Now Settle DOWN!

Quote: You asked people to trust you and loan you money. You promised to pay them back. I'm sure you didn't make it a point to tell your creditors about the skeletons in your closet and your diminished chance of getting a job in your new found occupation of choice.
Copy/Paste "As you can see, the airlines didn't care one stinking bit. Now Settle DOWN!"

Quote: And, through another act of generosity, when you are given a chance at a regional airline, you fail the training program while blaming everybody but yourself.
Here. Just to make you look even more ridiculous than you already have, let's look at who I blamed.

I said, "I owned my washout at the only airline interview I've been to since."

The airline staff in concern said, "We can tell you're dragging an anchor, so we're going to split you two up."

Quote: You are a living example that I will use when teaching my kids about taking responsibility and the ramifications one's actions can have on their lives.
I feel sorry for them when they're born. I can't imagine having a father that's as emotional and hysterical as you are; exaggerating facts and just plane lying.

Quote: If your "constitutional right" of ditching your student loans because you couldn't hack it in a rigorous (lol) regional airline training curriculum were to ever become a reality, what do you think will be the ramifications of that?
Well apparently you're not talking about me since I'm with an airline now.

Quote: Go ahead, I'll give you a minute to think about it...times up. You guessed it, LENDERS WOULD NO LONGER OFFER THOSE TYPES OF LOANS. Which is fine with me because I think too many young kids and dudes with mid-life crisis do not count the costs when they assume those loans.

You, however, received your loans. You failed out of the system and now want to pull up the ladder by ditching your loans and removing the same opportunities you were so afforded.
A little more reading of the thread would probably have served you a little better since I can see you're one to charge into a rant without having read....I'm with an airline now. Doh!

Quote: You want uncle sam to save you from the big bad creditors just like you want the forum moderators to save you from the big bad Grumble. Pathetic.
I don't need any salvation from Grumble. I can hold my own. I think both this thread, and APC, would be far better off without him though. Now, let's talk about you....or do you want me to go there? I didn't think so.

Quote: You come across as a whiner in desperate need of a lot of soul searching.
And what did your little, logic-riddled, dramatic temper-tantrum just say about you? In short: Your opinion was based on opportunistic fabrications of pseudo-fact and explosive emotion. How can anyone see any sobriety in your opinion.

Quote: Here's wishing you good luck. It looks like you have had incredible luck so far but have succeeded in blowing all of it. You are not entitled to a good paying job that you don't hate.
There's the problem with the industry. You'll take a 777 job for less than anyone else, just because you think it's "fun".

Quote: You had a job you didn't like. You gambled your bird in the hand and lost. Get over it, pay your bills and get a job. Any job. It doesn't have to be your glamorous airline pilot fantasy job.
Again. More conclusions based off of not reading the thread! Again, I'm flying with an airline now.
Quote: 20K? Is that supposed to be a joke?
James. This forum, I'm learning is riddled with exaggeration, lies and FEAR. Aside from yourself and a couple others, it's like trying to discus quantum mechanics with a group of mentally challenged 3rd graders. It was really my fault for having hope that this time, maybe, my piers could handle it.

Once again an APF thread about something intelligent has devolved into a shouting spree by those egos entrenched as radical conservative Thought Leaders in the industry. I hope people can see what fools they've made of themselves. If they can't win an argument in a thread based on sound logic, they'll turn it into a three-ring carnival of chaos to end any coherent debate. It's sad.
What's sad is watching a 42 year old man act like a 13 year old girl.
Quote: 20K? Is that supposed to be a joke?
I know a guy who bought a used Cessna 180 for $5,000....






back in the 1960s.
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