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Quote: I've been hearing that's becoming the new norm. Sucks...I'm glad you have the opportunity to bail if you want, or upgrade in a reasonable time! Carpe diem!
I'm guessing the short YVR overnights are the result of trying to make the schedule more efficient, but that's probably the worst city for short overnights.

By the time you taxi all the way around the airport to the gate, the passengers deplane, you terminate the airplane, do the hike to customs, miss the first van, wait a half-hour for the second one, and then take a van that leaves too early the next day, you're at the hotel for maybe 8 hours, so hopefully you can shower, shave, eat, and dress at the same time.
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Quote: They already gave away larger jets to another carrier. Skywest starts flying E175s in July for Alaska. Alaska pilots seem pretty quiet about it. They had the chance to vote in scope and caved for more money and merger protection. If ALPA really gave two ****s about keeping it in house they would have secured it. If larger jets get outsourced, it is Alaskas' pilots fault. You as a group voted yes.
I've only been here for about 6 months and wasn't apart of the last voting process. With that said just about everyone new here is aware of the lack of scope and HOPES to see some better policy regarding that in the next contract.
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Quote: They already gave away larger jets to another carrier. Skywest starts flying E175s in July for Alaska. Alaska pilots seem pretty quiet about it. They had the chance to vote in scope and caved for more money and merger protection. If ALPA really gave two ****s about keeping it in house they would have secured it. If larger jets get outsourced, it is Alaskas' pilots fault. You as a group voted yes.
I read this on another forum a few months ago from an AS pilot. I don't think the Alaska pilots have much to be upset about.

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While I would love to see more Alaska pilots flying these routes with AAG-owned airplanes, I think it's rather narrow-minded for us as a pilot group to say, "if I can't fly it, no one can!" There's revenue out there and the company is going for it. If it increases profits, shores up paying passengers, boosts the company's position, then that's good enough for me. This is not a matter of SkyWest "taking" Alaska or Horizon jobs. These are new routes and the current fleet and pilot group at Alaska are tapped out to the max. They're training new pilots as fast as the oh-so-encumbered training program can and we're getting new jets as they come available from Boeing.

Alaska is not interested in buying any other fleet type. They're sold on the one fleet-type concept.
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Quote: I read this on another forum a few months ago from an AS pilot. I don't think the Alaska pilots have much to be upset about.
This from a Skywest pilot? Care to explain your reasoning? This is flying that should be at mainline.
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Quote: This from a Skywest pilot? Care to explain your reasoning? This is flying that should be at mainline.
That was from an AS (Alaska Airlines) pilot. Here's a direct link to a thread discussing the issue on the other site.

SkyWest to fly E175s for Alaska, Gets 12 PCL CR2s | Jetcareers

My reasoning was really just based on the AS pilots point of view that they're currently tapped out, and really all contracting out the E175 flying to another partner does is allow Alaska to turn more profit allowing AAG pilots to enjoy their pay, and allowing AS's route structure to grow. That was one thought process. I'm simply playing devil's advocate here citing a quote from an AS employee. Take what you will from it. I recognize the tension, and need to prevent the industry from being eroded by regionals taking mainline flying which would make mainline airlines become a shell of their former selves.
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Quote: That was from an AS (Alaska Airlines) pilot. Here's a direct link to a thread discussing the issue on the other site.

SkyWest to fly E175s for Alaska, Gets 12 PCL CR2s | Jetcareers

My reasoning was really just based on the AS pilots point of view that they're currently tapped out, and really all contracting out the E175 flying to another partner does is allow Alaska to turn more profit allowing AAG pilots to enjoy their pay, and allowing AS's route structure to grow. That was one thought process. I'm simply playing devil's advocate here citing a quote from an AS employee. Take what you will from it. I recognize the tension, and need to prevent the industry from being eroded by regionals taking mainline flying which would make mainline airlines become a shell of their former selves.
They are getting rid of their smallest aircraft and outsourcing it to you. They are not tapped out, they often cover for QX when we have maintenance issues. Just because some person on a message board says it is true, it does not mean it is true. Welcome to the regionals, give it 5-10 years and you will not be on your knees for SkyWest.
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Can anyone tell me if you need 1500 hours before applying? Or is Horizon like many of the others, where you can apply early and get hired around 1475? Also, what's the word on upgrade times.. Are they dropping like the rest? I'm at 1410 and getting antsy. QX is definitely my number 1 choice.
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Quote: Can anyone tell me if you need 1500 hours before applying? Or is Horizon like many of the others, where you can apply early and get hired around 1475? Also, what's the word on upgrade times.. Are they dropping like the rest? I'm at 1410 and getting antsy. QX is definitely my number 1 choice.
The most recent captain I'm seeing listed is shown as a November 06 hire, but they're only 46 numbers (maybe a year) from the hire date dropping to early 2011. That said, there are still about 25 people senior to that person deferring upgrades for various reasons (probably avoiding ANC), so the upgrade will take a bit longer to make the big drop.
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Quote: Can anyone tell me if you need 1500 hours before applying? Or is Horizon like many of the others, where you can apply early and get hired around 1475? Also, what's the word on upgrade times.. Are they dropping like the rest? I'm at 1410 and getting antsy. QX is definitely my number 1 choice.
Keep flying! I'm not sure on the application part... It would suck to apply, get the time, try to reapply, and get a "you've already applied for this job" email. I'm not 100% sure how the system works.
Quote: The most recent captain I'm seeing listed is shown as a November 06 hire, but they're only 46 numbers (maybe a year) from the hire date dropping to early 2011. That said, there are still about 25 people senior to that person deferring upgrades for various reasons (probably avoiding ANC), so the upgrade will take a bit longer to make the big drop.
If you cross-reference the seniority list to the training plan, you can see a bit more clearly what is happening. The trend is that you have to make it to about #60 on the FO side of things to be offered an upgrade. Above that is a mix of Captains and FO's as people bypass the upgrade. Based on the most junior person in class now, I'm less than 30 people from upgrade, with 9 of those having no permanent bids in. I was hired at the end of '11. The rate of closure has been about 7-8 per month. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, the most junior captain on property will be a 2012 hire. And with very few people hired in 2012, we'll be into the '13's not long after.

This is yet another example why chasing the upgrade is a bad strategy. When I was hired, I ignored upgrade time completely. It was 12 years, and rising. I'm probably going to upgrade in just under 4. Meanwhile, I've been based at home and having some of the better pay and benefits in the industry. Just saying... haha.
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This is yet another example why chasing the upgrade is a bad strategy. When I was hired, I ignored upgrade time completely. It was 12 years, and rising. I'm probably going to upgrade in just under 4. Meanwhile, I've been based at home and having some of the better pay and benefits in the industry. Just saying... haha.
When I was looking for a regional job, I did basically the same thing, and just figured out which airline would be the best (or least bad) option to get stuck at for a while if/when something put the brakes on this pilot shortage.
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