FDX Negotiating Update

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Quote: Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, if you can pause long enough to accept that there are other solutions perhaps you can explain why a simple contract update commonly takes two to five years.

It isn't like the entire wheel has to be designed from scratch each time, what is the complication that burns up those years? What is the motive for the delay? Why is this considered acceptable?
Yeah, I can help explain. These contracts are a big expense for corporations. It benefits them to drag out these expenses as long as possible. Not that difficult. I really don't see where it benefits the union to delay these negotiations.
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Quote: A cynic might suspect that this could be one reason: Even when both sides know approximately where they will end up, they have constituents who do not know this. To satisfy them, each side must open with an extreme position and perform a choreographed dance, slowly and with dragging feet, toward the "center". Clumsy dancers will step on toes and cause a scene. Skillful dancers only appear to step on toes, but the moves are rehearsed.
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Quote: A cynic might suspect that this could be one reason: Even when both sides know approximately where they will end up, they have constituents who do not know this. To satisfy them, each side must open with an extreme position and perform a choreographed dance, slowly and with dragging feet, toward the "center". Clumsy dancers will step on toes and cause a scene. Skillful dancers only appear to step on toes, but the moves are rehearsed.

Exactly, the Kabuki dancers want to get paid too, and it looks like they are doing important "work".
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Quote: Yeah, I can help explain. These contracts are a big expense for corporations. It benefits them to drag out these expenses as long as possible. Not that difficult. I really don't see where it benefits the union to delay these negotiations.
I can't see how it would benefit the union either. More legal expenses, and they have to live under the same contract we do. It's not like it doesn't affect them directly, it does.
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Quote: Yeah, I can help explain. These contracts are a big expense for corporations. It benefits them to drag out these expenses as long as possible. Not that difficult. I really don't see where it benefits the union to delay these negotiations.

Corporations make a lot of money from a lengthy delay, it isn't a cost, but it is an increase in profit. Unions look like they are earning their keep, despite doing very little over the long term of negotiations.

In the end everyone declares victory and pilots, corporations and unions celebrate in a mutual funfest.

In the end pilots are very lucky if they have just barely kept up with inflation, corporations book profits and unions feel they have done a good days work. Take a look at that ALPO pay roster sometime.
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Jungle, I've lurked this site for a while now and I've seen your posts and pondered on this question. Is that a picture of yourself as your avatar? If so, you are one cool dude, the slightly askew sunglasses and the cigarette makes you look like Ernest Hemingway. One day I hope to be that cool.
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Doorknob, If so, Jungle bears an uncanny resemblance to Hunter S. Thompson. I loved reading his stuff.
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Quote: Jungle, I've lurked this site for a while now and I've seen your posts and pondered on this question. Is that a picture of yourself as your avatar? If so, you are one cool dude, the slightly askew sunglasses and the cigarette makes you look like Ernest Hemingway. One day I hope to be that cool.
Don't feed the troll. And Hemingway--despite his many attempts to prove his manliness by boxing, hunting, deep-sea fishing & running the bulls--ate a shotgun at the end. What a coward.
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Does anyone know if we have upcoming negotiating dates scheduled?
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Quote: Does anyone know if we have upcoming negotiating dates scheduled?
Yesterday and today, with 10/28-31 next.
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