FDX Negotiating Update
09-21-2014, 06:17 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by jungle
All of us pay the union a fair amount of money for a service, wearing a lanyard or marching around in a circle does not constitute nor does it provide a substitute for the service we pay for, either negotiate or we can find another service provider.
Do it or get replaced.
Do it or get replaced.
Being in a union is not like hiring a gardener. Some people will never get it.
09-22-2014, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
See what I mean?
Being in a union is not like hiring a gardener. Some people will never get it.
Being in a union is not like hiring a gardener. Some people will never get it.
What most of us don't get is an understanding of who and what are really driving any progress made.
09-22-2014, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Correct with one you get service, with the other you get a lot of expensive double talk.
What most of us don't get is an understanding of who and what are really driving any progress made.
What most of us don't get is an understanding of who and what are really driving any progress made.
Must be all the unions fault! YGTBSM
09-22-2014, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
All of us pay the union a fair amount of money for a service, wearing a lanyard or marching around in a circle does not constitute nor does it provide a substitute for the service we pay for, either negotiate or we can find another service provider.
Just that simple.
We don't need directions on how to dress or which circle to march in, we need concrete action directed at fair negotiations.
Do it or get replaced.
Just that simple.
We don't need directions on how to dress or which circle to march in, we need concrete action directed at fair negotiations.
Do it or get replaced.
That'll show them...
Seriously?? Just how is this new group going to get this contact? There is very little they can do. Picketing is one of them. They can't ask us to withhold our services or not fly extra. Please inform us what replacing these guys will do to expedite our negotiations....
09-22-2014, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
Please inform us what replacing these guys will do to expedite our negotiations....
09-23-2014, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
Sounds like a great idea!! Let's fire the negotiation committee and/or ALPA!! We'll get a new one that will tell the company to give us a contract or else!!
That'll show them...
Seriously?? Just how is this new group going to get this contact? There is very little they can do. Picketing is one of them. They can't ask us to withhold our services or not fly extra. Please inform us what replacing these guys will do to expedite our negotiations....
That'll show them...
Seriously?? Just how is this new group going to get this contact? There is very little they can do. Picketing is one of them. They can't ask us to withhold our services or not fly extra. Please inform us what replacing these guys will do to expedite our negotiations....
Not just a ditto, but we did try that once in 1996...
09-23-2014, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
All of us pay the union a fair amount of money for a service, wearing a lanyard or marching around in a circle does not constitute nor does it provide a substitute for the service we pay for, either negotiate or we can find another service provider.
Just that simple.
We don't need directions on how to dress or which circle to march in, we need concrete action directed at fair negotiations.
Do it or get replaced.
Just that simple.
We don't need directions on how to dress or which circle to march in, we need concrete action directed at fair negotiations.
Do it or get replaced.
09-23-2014, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
Yea I guess the company would never want to cut us like they did all the other employees in health care, retirement and of course want PBS on the property!! Must be all the unions fault! YGTBSM
Must be all the unions fault! YGTBSMIt benefits both the union and the company.
Originally Posted by golfandfly
Sounds like a great idea!! Let's fire the negotiation committee and/or ALPA!! We'll get a new one that will tell the company to give us a contract or else!!
That'll show them...
Seriously?? Just how is this new group going to get this contact? There is very little they can do. Picketing is one of them. They can't ask us to withhold our services or not fly extra. Please inform us what replacing these guys will do to expedite our negotiations....
That'll show them...
Seriously?? Just how is this new group going to get this contact? There is very little they can do. Picketing is one of them. They can't ask us to withhold our services or not fly extra. Please inform us what replacing these guys will do to expedite our negotiations....
Originally Posted by contrails
Actually jungle, it's about getting some press time in front of investors who do care very much about the goings on in a very large and important group of the company's employees.
The great benefit of delay is that inflation works its 4% plus magic every year in reduced labor costs.
Some unions even double their dues during lengthy negotiations. It is a big win for two of the three players.
09-24-2014, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
No, but they have not really changed the very slow pace of negotiations, why does it take so long and who does that benefit?
It benefits both the union and the company.
There are a few other methods, pickets are not going to garner much support from the public for guys knocking down 200-300k a year. Public support is zero, so what is this leverage everyone speaks of?
Labor/management disputes are very good for earnings right up until a strike.
The great benefit of delay is that inflation works its 4% plus magic every year in reduced labor costs.
Some unions even double their dues during lengthy negotiations. It is a big win for two of the three players.
It benefits both the union and the company.
There are a few other methods, pickets are not going to garner much support from the public for guys knocking down 200-300k a year. Public support is zero, so what is this leverage everyone speaks of?
Labor/management disputes are very good for earnings right up until a strike.
The great benefit of delay is that inflation works its 4% plus magic every year in reduced labor costs.
Some unions even double their dues during lengthy negotiations. It is a big win for two of the three players.
How does the union cost you anything if we have a 7ish percent B fund we would not have unless we had a Union and our dues are around 3 percent? Anyway you cut it you make 4 percent on your money.
09-24-2014, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
So a quick question for you if you are a FedEx pilot.
How does the union cost you anything if we have a 7ish percent B fund we would not have unless we had a Union and our dues are around 3 percent? Anyway you cut it you make 4 percent on your money.
How does the union cost you anything if we have a 7ish percent B fund we would not have unless we had a Union and our dues are around 3 percent? Anyway you cut it you make 4 percent on your money.
This may come as a real shock, but there are plenty of people with a very nice retirement package that don't belong to any union.
Your math is a bit funky, if you don't get a raise for years, your pay is dropping at least 4% every year in real terms, this will also impact your retirement unless you are already maxed out.
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