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Old 09-19-2014, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post

After this comment and a similar one in the latest email from SS, I'll ask the stupid question:

Why do we have to remove our IDs for this little shindig?

Also, is there any issue with jumpseating on a company aircraft to attend? I'm on my way to a trip via MEM that day, so I can't see why it would be an issue for me. This ID question got me wondering if someone would have an issue with a pilot using the company JS specifically to attend this event.

I have no idea what the deal is with IDs. I'd call and ask, but the message from ALPA was unsigned -- who knows?

You can always jumpseat in Personal Status, anywhere, anytime.

You can jumpseat in Staging Status between your base and your home airport(s), anytime.

You can jumpseat in Business Status within 2 days of an event to/from your base or where a trip begins/ends from/to anywhere.

I think that's about right ...




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Old 09-19-2014, 01:16 PM
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The more I think about this, I sort of have to laugh a little.

We get an email today specifically reminding us to wear our new lanyard. I get the whole unity thing and I'll put mine on (without ID, I guess) like a good soldier. But... really?

So, I'll be wearing a lanyard which will no longer have an actual function since the ID will be gone. It will be sending a message in little bitty print to anyone paying attention.

I sure hope people can see my lanyard behind the BIG GIANT SIGN I'll be holding in front of it.

Hopefully I don't get a "Contract Now!" or "It's Time!" sign because that's what my lanyard says and I don't want to be redundant.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:39 PM
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The purpose of the correct and current lanyard is to tell quickly and easily who is supporting the negotiation team. If for some reason you still don't grasp the concept, try this explanation.

Not wearing the issued lanyard, but by saying "I support the team, a stupid lanyard does not change my support level." Or, "I'm a team player, I don't need a lanyard to tell everyone." You are missing the entire point.

Ever been to an NBA, NFL, College sporting event where the home team is promoting a "white out/black out/blue out" or any other color event where they want all the fans to wear the same color shirts? All the real fans wear the requested color. Let's say you go to a Miami Heat game where they are doing a white out event and instead you wear your Lakers jersey because you are from LA even though you are cheering for the Heat. Do you think the argument, "I'm supporting the Heat, I bought tickets, food and beer. Who cares what jersey I wear, you know I root for the Heat." will really float?

We are the home team and we are supporting Contract Now. Show your support by wearing the home team colors!
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Old 09-19-2014, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kwri10s View Post
The purpose of the correct and current lanyard is to tell quickly and easily who is supporting the negotiation team. If for some reason you still don't grasp the concept, try this explanation.

Not wearing the issued lanyard, but by saying "I support the team, a stupid lanyard does not change my support level." Or, "I'm a team player, I don't need a lanyard to tell everyone." You are missing the entire point.

Ever been to an NBA, NFL, College sporting event where the home team is promoting a "white out/black out/blue out" or any other color event where they want all the fans to wear the same color shirts? All the real fans wear the requested color. Let's say you go to a Miami Heat game where they are doing a white out event and instead you wear your Lakers jersey because you are from LA even though you are cheering for the Heat. Do you think the argument, "I'm supporting the Heat, I bought tickets, food and beer. Who cares what jersey I wear, you know I root for the Heat." will really float?

We are the home team and we are supporting Contract Now. Show your support by wearing the home team colors!
WOW?

I guess you haven't been following the lanyard part of this thread very well! Let me give you a quick update: First we get a message not to wear a lanyard and ID for informational picketing and now they say go ahead and wear the lanyard but no ID. Nothing to do with showing whose side you are on!

I think we all understand the part about wearing a lanyard to show team support. Now give me an "A" give me an "L" give me a "P" give me an "A" ..... RAH RAH RAH!
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Old 09-19-2014, 06:33 PM
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Anybody ever consider the ID is actually company property. Maybe that has something to do with it. Anyways, I'm with the camp who wonders about wearing a lanyard with nothing on it. If we are wearing our dress uni to look professional I think a piece of cheap colored nylon detracts from that appearance. But what do I know.
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Originally Posted by YYESIAV8 View Post
Anybody ever consider the ID is actually company property. Maybe that has something to do with it. Anyways, I'm with the camp who wonders about wearing a lanyard with nothing on it. If we are wearing our dress uni to look professional I think a piece of cheap colored nylon detracts from that appearance. But what do I know.
Just wear it around your neck and tuck the end into your jacket. It will look fine.

Jeez, you guys. Unity, that's all that matters. Forget this all this trivia. Let's get a contract. It will be good for the company, and good for us.
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Old 09-19-2014, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kwri10s View Post
The purpose of the correct and current lanyard is to tell quickly and easily who is supporting the negotiation team. If for some reason you still don't grasp the concept, try this explanation.
Holy crap Francis ......it was a joke. The purpose of those is a chuckle, laugh or smile. Or maybe to just lighten up the mood.

Originally Posted by kwri10s View Post
Not wearing the issued lanyard, but by saying "I support the team, a stupid lanyard does not change my support level." Or, "I'm a team player, I don't need a lanyard to tell everyone." You are missing the entire point.
Guess you missed the part where I said I would be wearing the lanyard.

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Ever been to an NBA, NFL, College sporting event where the home team is promoting a "white out/black out/blue out" or any other color event where they want all the fans to wear the same color shirts? All the real fans wear the requested color.
You mean like the requested blue blazer, pants, white shirt, tie and blue hat we'll be wearing?

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Let's say you go to a Miami Heat game where they are doing a white out event and instead you wear your Lakers jersey because you are from LA even though you are cheering for the Heat. Do you think the argument, "I'm supporting the Heat, I bought tickets, food and beer. Who cares what jersey I wear, you know I root for the Heat." will really float?
My God, you know I don't think it would really float, now that you mention it. I guess that's why I'll be wearing the REQUESTED BLUE BLAZER, PANTS, WHITE SHIRT, TIE and HAT UNIFORM!!!!!!! like everyone else.
Do YOU think the Miami Heat players, opponents, fans on TV or anyone else paying attention is going to notice if anyone in the sea of fans supporting them in the REQUESTED UNIFORM is wearing something else around their neck? No - they won't. They would have enough common sense to realize that the fans showing up at the same place, wearing the exact same uniform, doing the exact same thing, at the exact same time is sending the required message loud and clear to those it's meant for. But it will give some "know it all" fan something to lecture those around him about during the commercial breaks.

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We are the home team and we are supporting Contract Now. Show your support by wearing the home team colors!
You mean like the REQUESTED BLUE BLAZER, PANT, WHITE SHIRT, TIE and HAT??...........oh yeah and lanyard now too.

BTW, are you gonna help me blow up the inflatable rat 'cuz I know a little balloon makes me light headed - that thing will probably kill me.
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Old 09-19-2014, 10:10 PM
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Holy crap Francis ......it was a joke. The purpose of those is a chuckle, laugh or smile. Or maybe to just lighten up the mood.
Not to jump on you, but the time to "lighten the mood" was 18 months ago. Now is the time to be Pi$$ed off. It's not funny, not humorous. I'm taking all day Tues to commute to Mem and back, missing kids practices, etc all to show how disappointed I am in the process. I'm glad you'll be standing there also. Thanks!! But I'm tired of guys glossing over or ignoring the other pilots around them that are not showing their support. Being buddy, buddy with guys that look like non-members or are on the latest "screwed me with extra flying" list.

If you (generic you not you specifically) are not willing to publicly support the other crew members by showing them you support them, then I have to assume you are not supporting ME and my need for a new contract.

Your tongue in cheek comments incited my response to all the whining from crew members about stepping up. It's time for the Captains to stand up and make it happen. As an FO every captain I see without his lanyard, I feel he is just letting me know he could give a flying ## whether I get a good contract or not. He's got his, screw me. Maybe that's not their intent, but that's the appearance. Captains should be calling out other Captains in public. Carry around extra lanyards to hand out to your buds. It's a small price to pay.

The big price has been all the draft calls that don't seem to be fitting into my schedule. Let's get it done! Yes, PANT, WHITE SHIRT, and TIE are required every time you show up to work. But the little, stupid lanyard is not. It's the smallest possible thing a person can do to show support. But if folks (not you) can't do the smallest, how are we going to get them there on Tues. Or the next one. "Here's my pin" does not cut it right now. "I don't like things around my neck", doesn't float. "I must show everyone I fly the 777", is just sad.

Be just as fired up the next time you see a pilot without one around their neck and ask them where it is. Preferably, ask them on the crew bus with other pilots around. Time to get the slackers into line.

They better have a blower for the Rat.
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Old 09-20-2014, 05:07 AM
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[QUOTE=kwri10s;1730785]Not to jump on you, but the time to "lighten the mood" was 18 months ago. Now is the time to be Pi$$ed off. It's not funny, not humorous.

Glad to see I'm not the only one.
Part of being a professional in any line of work is takeing care of the big stuff and the little stuff.

Informational picketing (big), wear the freakin' lanyard (small).
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Old 09-20-2014, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kwri10s View Post
The purpose of the correct and current lanyard is to tell quickly and easily who is supporting the negotiation team. If for some reason you still don't grasp the concept, try this explanation.

Not wearing the issued lanyard, but by saying "I support the team, a stupid lanyard does not change my support level." Or, "I'm a team player, I don't need a lanyard to tell everyone." You are missing the entire point.

Let's say you go to a Miami Heat game where they are doing a white out event and instead you wear your Lakers jersey because you are from LA even though you are cheering for the Heat. Do you think the argument, "I'm supporting the Heat, I bought tickets, food and beer. Who cares what jersey I wear, you know I root for the Heat." will really float?
I can guarantee you that that is all the team owner cares about! So, “yes," you are supporting the team in the most direct way!

On the contrary, what good does it do to wear a lanyard and fly disputed pairings? That’s like the guy who wears the appropriate team shirt for the game, but sneaks into the arena, brings his own snacks and drinks. Is he really supporting the team? I don’t think the owner would agree so.
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