FDX Negotiating Update
09-24-2014, 03:27 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by jungle
This may come as a real shock, but there are plenty of people with a very nice retirement package that don't belong to any union.
Your math is a bit funky, if you don't get a raise for years, your pay is dropping at least 4% every year in real terms, this will also impact your retirement unless you are already maxed out.
Your math is a bit funky, if you don't get a raise for years, your pay is dropping at least 4% every year in real terms, this will also impact your retirement unless you are already maxed out.
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09-24-2014, 05:32 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by jungle
This may come as a real shock, but there are plenty of people with a very nice retirement package that don't belong to any union.
Your math is a bit funky, if you don't get a raise for years, your pay is dropping at least 4% every year in real terms, this will also impact your retirement unless you are already maxed out.
Your math is a bit funky, if you don't get a raise for years, your pay is dropping at least 4% every year in real terms, this will also impact your retirement unless you are already maxed out.
09-24-2014, 09:05 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
So a quick question for you if you are a FedEx pilot.
How does the union cost you anything if we have a 7ish percent B fund we would not have unless we had a Union and our dues are around 3 percent? Anyway you cut it you make 4 percent on your money.
Jungle's not a FedEx pilot (he works for UPS), and he hates unions. He's really too good for unions, and he seems to enjoy stirring the pot.
Oh, and our dues are 1.9% these days, down from 1.95%.
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09-24-2014, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
No, but they have not really changed the very slow pace of negotiations, why does it take so long and who does that benefit?
It benefits both the union and the company.
Originally Posted by jungle
Some unions even double their dues during lengthy negotiations. It is a big win for two of the three players.
No BS, no rhetoric, just lay down a fact or two.
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09-24-2014, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
How does delaying negotiations benefit ALPA?
How does ALPA increase dues during negotiations? How are lengthy negotiations a big win for ALPA?
No BS, no rhetoric, just lay down a fact or two.
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How does ALPA increase dues during negotiations? How are lengthy negotiations a big win for ALPA?
No BS, no rhetoric, just lay down a fact or two.
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No doubt it helps, but it sure hasn't made it any faster.
All of you should take a look at the ALPA pay roster, it is very interesting.
Delays in negotiations make the union pay scales much fatter, it is what they do, whether you get a new contract or not.
It is just business, the sooner you understand the better you will understand.
09-24-2014, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
No my math is ok, if we had no union we already know what would have happened to us the same thing that has happened to the rest of the employees. The company in the past few 2 years has slashed their health care, ended the traditional retirement plan and had cut their pay. We also in the past have always received a retro payment with a signed contract. That was basically the amount of the pay raises we would have gotten since the amendable date.
So you are telling us managers have had their pay cut to the bone? I don't think you are watching.
Retro payments never quite make up the loss from inflation.
09-24-2014, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
You notice he didn't bother to address the first part of your question.
Jungle's not a FedEx pilot (he works for UPS), and he hates unions. He's really too good for unions, and he seems to enjoy stirring the pot.
Oh, and our dues are 1.9% these days, down from 1.95%.
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Jungle's not a FedEx pilot (he works for UPS), and he hates unions. He's really too good for unions, and he seems to enjoy stirring the pot.
Oh, and our dues are 1.9% these days, down from 1.95%.
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Sorry, but I don't hate unions, but it is interesting to ask exactly what they accomplish over three years of "talks" and exactly what they are doing.
What I really hate is the status quo from unions and negotiations that lets this kind of mentality prevail for years.
Part of it is the RLB, a big part of it is unions and management take advantage of it every time. It is their life blood to stretch out talks as long as possible.
You won't get anything better in one year than you would in four, but for unions and management it becomes a feeding frenzy, a buffet that lasts a very long time.
09-24-2014, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
You are getting nailed for 1.9%? All day, every day?
No doubt it helps, but it sure hasn't made it any faster.
All of you should take a look at the ALPA pay roster, it is very interesting.
Delays in negotiations make the union pay scales much fatter, it is what they do, whether you get a new contract or not.
It is just business, the sooner you understand the better you will understand.
You're the one who obviously does not understand.
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09-24-2014, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Sorry, but I don't hate unions, but it is interesting to ask exactly what they accomplish over three years of "talks" and exactly what they are doing.
What I really hate is the status quo from unions and negotiations that lets this kind of mentality prevail for years.
Part of it is the RLB, a big part of it is unions and management take advantage of it every time. It is their life blood to stretch out talks as long as possible.
You won't get anything better in one year than you would in four, but for unions and management it becomes a feeding frenzy, a buffet that lasts a very long time.
RLB? Is that your personal version of the RLA?
Again, you fail to explain how unions draw blood from stretching out talks. Do you think the dues are somehow raised during negotiations? What do you think unions feed on during the process -- what is this buffet, other than a figment of your cockamamie imagination?
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09-24-2014, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
So you are telling us managers have had their pay cut to the bone? I don't think you are watching.
Retro payments never quite make up the loss from inflation.
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